Wolves 1-4 Brighton: Verdict Thread

[Tony Towner]

Well if we're saying Utd and Brighton finished above us last season to justify a couple of defeats then by that logic we should be beating Everton at Goodison for a start

The linear Cyber school of points expectation

 

[PuntsWolf]

I wouldn't have had Lemina or Gomes so high up the pitch at the same time, one sitting can still leave you overrun as we saw with Casemeiro on Monday night, but gives a degree of protection.

I don’t think we ever got bossed through midfield though. The goals we weren’t really outnumbered, just awful individual mistakes, often multiple in the same phase of play (normally the reason why goals happen in a team game tbf).

I'd have brought Sasa on for Fabio at ht because for me he was the biggest culprit of giving the ball away and (projection on my part) I think he'd help us to keep it better.

I thought about this, but also thought it might kill him mentally so would give him 10 mins. Didn’t expect us to concede a dreadful goal straight away though.

Ultimately I think 9/10 we would have lost to them irrespective of the tactics or personnel, they are just better than we are, which is why my ire is pointed in a different direction to the manager. However there will be things he saw in that game that he shouldn't repeat if he's up to scratch

Well this is it. IMO our first half tactics were fine and we should have been at least level. The goal after HT and it all goes out the window. Playing deep or some half press would have seen a loss as well.

 

[prawnking]

The linear Cyber school of points expectation

I didn't say I agreed with it.

But if we're shrugging off defeats to all and sundry then who are we expecting to beat?

 

[jd1981]

Who’s said there’s nothing we could have done. Individual errors cost us massively yesterday but so did our approach in the second half. We matched Brighton in the first half yesterday, we were set up pretty well. First 10 minutes of the second half, awful. Kick off was atrocious, why RAN started it at cdm just to hit it long towards Milner i have no idea and then we were just far too high in the press and the game was gone. There’s loads we could have done but there were promising bits in the first half.

Think the key phrase there is “promising bits”
It’s simply not enough, we didn’t match them first half as they took one of their chances we didn’t. I’ll agree there were some good parts nevertheless anything that occurred post 55 minutes is pretty irrelevant as BHA were very much in preservation keeping us at arms length mode.

 

[Tony Towner]

I didn't say I agreed with it.

But if we're shrugging off defeats to all and sundry then who are we expecting to beat?

The way the fixtures are laid out does put more pressure on the 3rd game than it realistically should do. It's not a must win, very early on in the season I do think it's a mustn't lose though, although I hope we don't approach the game that way

 

[Wolftone]

It was a lot of individual errors that left things so open at the back though from what I saw. Plenty of bodies around on the first but they parted like the Red Sea when Mitoma came inside. Again with the second, enough people around to pick up the Brighton players some chose not to their jobs. On the third Dawson is standing 10 yards ahead of his man ball watching and they just play it over his head into the channel to create an overload then RAN gives up tracking March.

I don't see inherent tactical flaws as fundamental to those goals happening, individua mistakes are far more prominent. Certainly not like AVB parking 30+ John Terry rigidly on the half way line and not expecting him to be beaten over the top every single time.

There is though an obvious naivety in going toe to toe with an opponent in something akin to their preferred style when they've been nurturing it for a few years and recruiting to suit. Especially when you're less than 2 weeks into your tenure and trying to move from a much more conservative approach. Not unlike Mick signing Maierhofer and Halford thinking he could replicate Stoke.

No point rushing to conclusions this early though, last Monday this approach did a good job of suffocating United for the most part and created plenty of chances in Wolves favour. Yesterday Brighton found far more holes than United had yet Wolves still found gaps going forward, even if they still couldn't take advantage of them. Two much more winnable games up next so got to be worth sticking with it until then at least? Surely no-one wants to see a repeat of Mick's last season when he got a nosebleed after 3 games and then shat himself going into must not lose mode at Everton, killed the momentum.

Agree with this.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692916471968522312

 

[prawnking]

The way the fixtures are laid out does put more pressure on the 3rd game than it realistically should do. It's not a must win, very early on in the season I do think it's a mustn't lose though, although I hope we don't approach the game that way

I think with the kind of manager we've put in place we can't afford to let constant and casual defeats become the norm

 

[Lupo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692916471968522312

They look like they've been Derried at half time!

 

[prawnking]

Obviously The Dude's half time motivation didn't have the desired affect

 

[Carrotdude]

That’s awful

 

[Tredman]

They look like they've been Derried at half time!

That’s a good point. I don’t think we have the right players to respond well to a wanker screaming at them.

 

[Carrotdude]

Is Derry the one we have first hand reports on here of him being a complete twat?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Why does it have to be O'Neil or Derry that's caused it? That Dawson interview in the week intimated that this group have been fractured in the recent past, who's to say something hasn't kicked off between players and killed the mood?

 

[prawnking]

What's the point of us even paying O'Neil and Derry's wages if they're not responsible for anything at all

 

[Lupo]

Why does it have to be O'Neil or Derry that's caused it? That Dawson interview in the week intimated that this group have been fractured in the recent past, who's to say something hasn't kicked off between players and killed the mood?

Nobody knows

We do know that Derry is prone to savage bollocking of players and if that did happen that's exactly how I'd expect some of our players to react

 

[PuntsWolf]

Comfirmation bias on here is outstanding.

 

[Tony Towner]

I saw that earlier, people looking too deeply for stuff

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Nobody knows

We do know that Derry is prone to savage bollocking of players and if that did happen that's exactly how I'd expect some of our players to react

Do we know that? I certainly don't!

 

[Tony Towner]

Do we know that? I certainly don't!

Yep

Why Patrick Vieira decided Shaun Derry had to leave Crystal Palace

A clash of personalities with the Selhurst Park manager ultimately cost the former midfielder his position on the coaching staff

theathletic.com

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