Wolves 1-2 Fulham: Verdict Thread

[prawnking]

Once again, i think there is far too much pissing and moaning about a defeat. They happen, and Fulham played well, we didn't.

So many aspects of our game are better than they were a few weeks ago, so whilst obviously no one is happy when we lose, I'm not going to lose too much sleep about it.

We are going to stay up.

I think most of the critiques are pretty constructive?

I agree there are improvements under VP and we don't need to catastrophise too much, but even if we stay up there are a lot of question marks around the future, especially as in a few months we won't be 'Cunha FC' any more

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Nearly everyone on here knew our only chance of staying up was to bring in two CHs in January because a back three of Doherty, Bueno and Toti was leakier than a corroded sieve. Last night was back to the days of GO when we generally needed to score at least two to get a point and with Cunha below par and faced with a very organised defence we never laid a finger on them in the entire second half. To be fielding those three and gifting soft goals isn’t a surprise, the only mystery is why we bought Djiga in. Maybe VP thought they did a good job at Bournemouth and forgot we played an hour against 10 men.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

There's no way we were as poor defensively last night as we were under GON.

 

[sycophantia]

There's no way we were as poor defensively last night as we were under GON.

Absolutely, couple of individual errors by a couple of not fit for purpose players.
It was really frustrating and seemed like a wasted opportunity but we weren't that bad overall. We know where the answers are defensively, the attacking play is a concern.
Have we ever been able to unlock a tight defence since we came back up?

 

[C.L.D]

I thought Rayan Aït-Nouri was awful last night as well. He doesn't seem to catching much flack yet but it's fast reaching the stage with him where I wouldn't be too upset to see him leave.

Not sure what's going on with RAN but when he's on his game he's the 2nd biggest creative threat behind Cunha. Problem is we haven't really seen that for a while, if at all consistently this season. Not sure what's going on there, if he's trying to move to a bigger club he isn't playing like it.

This game is a bit of a write off but still a bit concerned it's a hint of what's to come without Cunha. He scored but not completely sold on Joao in attacking third, but right now Bellegarde is finally only form. Not sure how you fit all 3 with Andre in a midfield, especially if playing a back 3 also.

Not sure what the answers/solutions are but I don't think they're at the club right now.

 

[sycophantia]

Not sure what's going on with RAN but when he's on his game he's the 2nd biggest creative threat behind Cunha. Problem is we haven't really seen that for a while, if at all consistenally this season. Not sure what's going on there, if he's trying to move to a bigger club he isn't playing like it.

This game is a bit of a write off but still a bit concerned it's a hint of what's to come without Cunha. He scored but not completely sold on Joao in attacking third, but right now Bellegarde is finally only form. Not sure how you fit all 3 with Andre in a midfield, especially if playing a back 3 also.

Not sure what the answers/solutions are but I don't think they're at the club right now.

Think he's always been like this, moments of real magic mixed in with loads of dross.

 

[Jinky]

I’ve edited my comment as it should’ve said not good enough which he probably isn’t.
Having a couple in the squad is fine but to many just leaves you short.
If you look at the squad we probably have Lima, R Gomes, Bastien, Forbes and Dijjga who are neither ready or can only be introjected here and there.
Combine this with Johnstone, Doc, Santi, Doyle, Sarabia, Guedes, Hwang. Around 12 players who either can’t produce week in week out or are just below standard.
It’s why we’re in the mess we’re in if all on the second list plus Forbes weren’t here next season I’d be more than happy.

Agree with the sentiment but I’m having absolutely no Rodrigo slander on here.

The lads quality.

 

[Jinky]

Absolutely, couple of individual errors by a couple of not fit for purpose players.
It was really frustrating and seemed like a wasted opportunity but we weren't that bad overall. We know where the answers are defensively, the attacking play is a concern.
Have we ever been able to unlock a tight defence since we came back up?

It’s more of a concern now as the fixtures are changing and we have a - what will be perceived as - “good” or “easier” run coming up. But it will be against sides that set up in a low block. Maybe not from the start, but if they get a goal ahead (which will inevitably happen on occasions with our defence) then that’s what we’ll need to play through.

It’s why Munetsi was the wrong option yesterday, and after my post about Vítor learning as each game goes by, he goes and leaves him on for the full 90 when it very obviously wasn’t working.

 

[Del Woppio]

José Sá
Sam Johnstone
Santi Bueno
Matt Doherty
Craig Dawson
Marshall Munetsi
Hee-Chan Hwang
Pablo Sarabia
Carlos Forbs
Sasa Kalajdzic
Fabio Silva
Tommy Doyle
Ki-Jana Hoever
Dan Bentley
Gonçalo Guedes
Tom King
Nathan Fraser
Chiquinho
Tawanada Chirewa
Joe Hodge
Nigel Lonwijk
Chem Campbell
Enso González

That's 23 players currently on our books who I wouldn't miss if they weren't Wolves players when the transfer window closes next summer.

23 players there, cost us well over £200m in transfer fees and about a million a week in wages. We'd be lucky to pull in £50m if all 23 were sold on July 1st.

 

[Del Woppio]

Once again, i think there is far too much pissing and moaning about a defeat. They happen, and Fulham played well, we didn't.

So many aspects of our game are better than they were a few weeks ago, so whilst obviously no one is happy when we lose, I'm not going to lose too much sleep about it.

We are going to stay up.

It's not pissing and moaning about a defeat though is it, yesterday didn't happen in a vacuum. We'll probably stay up thanks to the three promoted clubs being fucking useless, and everything points to us crossing our fingers and hoping we can do the same next year.

And tbf even if it was in a vacuum, ignoring the fact that the three points realistically means nothing in terms of survival...we were OK for twenty minutes and absolutely fucking disgusting in ability and attitude. It's certainly not moaning about nothing. We're football fans on a football forum, unless you want every post caveated with a list of excuses you're going to see moaning when we're wank.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

There's no way we were as poor defensively last night as we were under GON.

We weren’t but we gave two soft goals away. The second was largely down to Bueno, ably assisted by Sa, who most think is miles short of PL quality but he’s still playing and still making costly errors. It’s farcical we’ve spent all that money on Djiga yet Bueno still plays.

 

[lemonjelly]

One silver lining from last night, there were small passages of interplay, and nice close passing that was good. There is definitely more cohesion as a team since VP came in. Although it didn't result in an end product (and we were guilty of overplaying it at times I felt) it is also something that VP and his staff have worked on effectively with the players.

 

[Dire Wolf]

RAN is frustrating because he's clearly talented, but when he isn't doing his fancy footwork skills his end product is fucking woeful at times.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I think Vic's comments on the Wolves website site are spot on.
The whole team was knackered from start to finish, and quite obviously played like it.
He's not a happy bunny our Vic.

 

[prawnking]

I think Vic's comments on the Wolves website site are spot on.
The whole team was knackered from start to finish, and quite obviously played like it.
He's not a happy bunny our Vic.

Yep, quite pointed comments about how Fulham had high quality options from the bench

 

[basher]

It's not "pissing and moaning" to critique the state of play with that squad.

It is consistently being denuded of quality and replaced with overpriced garbage like Munetsi, for just the latest example.

It's the direction of travel that is concerning people and the logical conclusion, i.e relegation in the not too distant future. All of which whilst paying an ever increasing premium for the privilege!

 

[Aikiwolf]

Santi fucking Bueno

Turns like a fucking tree so he decides to go touch tight 40/50 yards away from goal and gets absolutely done 3 times, giving away 2 goals and getting booked.

Semedo being sucked into the middle of the pitch for the first goal was also grim.

 

[Jinky]

Yep, quite pointed comments about how Fulham had high quality options from the bench

Our bench was weak, but Silva rotated his squad and they finished the game with arguably a stronger 11 on the pitch then the one they started with. If our players are knackered, rotate a bit - make a couple of changes? - not really having that from Vitor, whilst I do understand we could have done with some more strength & depth.

Bar Yerson who's out long term, the only real player we were missing that is guaranteed a spot in our starting 11 was Agbadou.

 

[Del Woppio]

You could've had Matt Hobbs out there and it wouldn't have seen a drop off from half the cunts

 

[Tony Towner]

How full was Golf Stand? Must have been pretty full to have 28,700 in. I know that will include “tickets sold” but there’s a fair missing because of the poor Fulham turnout.

Difficult to tell when sat in there. Plenty of empty seats. About ⅔ full would be my guess