West Ham (A) - verdict

[Jinky]

I think not having a decent break and pre-season has hurt us, and we aren't the only ones in that boat. Chelsea, Man United and man city have all looked off colour

I didn’t think Man City looked “off colour” when they were playing us off the park last week?

Your comment looks like someone looking for an excuse, sorry.

 

[AndyWolves]

I didn’t think Man City looked “off colour” when they were playing us off the park last week?

Your comment looks like someone looking for an excuse, sorry.

Well clearly when two off colour teams play each other you'd expect the team with Kevin De Bruyne to do well.

Bayern lost 4-1 at the weekend , PSG have already lost two games this season.

Obviously it's not going to every single minute of every single game where teams look off colour but there is definitely a pattern here

 

[The Bear]

They didn't play us off the park. They came out flying for 45 mins, then were lucky we didn't equalise.

 

[jd1981]

I think the real concern is that this wasn’t against a so called top 6 side, it was against a side who’ve had a pretty uninspiring transfer window and are mid table at best. In all honesty because the squad has been changed in parts and a look to change style might mean we have a very inconsistent season ending with a mid table 10-14 finish.


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[Haggstone]

I think the real concern is that this wasn’t against a so called top 6 side, it was against a side who’ve had a pretty uninspiring transfer window and are mid table at best. In all honesty because the squad has been changed in parts and a look to change style might mean we have a very inconsistent season ending with a mid table 10-14 finish.


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I’m going to put this down to one of those days. It’s not the first time performances like this have happened under Nuno and won’t be the last.

We do need to sort out what’s going on with Boly though, he’s our best defender. If he’s off form (as he has been for quite a while now) it’s bound to impact others around him.


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[AndyWolves]

I think the real concern is that this wasn’t against a so called top 6 side, it was against a side who’ve had a pretty uninspiring transfer window and are mid table at best. In all honesty because the squad has been changed in parts and a look to change style might mean we have a very inconsistent season ending with a mid table 10-14 finish.


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Nah, give it 2-3 weeks and we'll be reet

 

[The Bear]

I think the real concern is that this wasn’t against a so called top 6 side, it was against a side who’ve had a pretty uninspiring transfer window and are mid table at best. In all honesty because the squad has been changed in parts and a look to change style might mean we have a very inconsistent season ending with a mid table 10-14 finish.


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We lost twice to Huddersfield. File it under those sorts of games.

 

[Jabbawolf]

I'm not sure you've read his post!

Everyone's concerned, but not everyone is given a free pass to moan.

Happy for people to disagree with me, not happy to be pulled up dismissively by people for saying something thoroughly uncontroversial, to then watch them ignore their mates saying the same (or worse), and certainly not happy being warned about 'tone' by the wannabe Matt Hancocks on here

Good morning - my beef is not that you criticise, but the degree of the reaction - ie not that we played badly, but that the whole project is screwed in just a couple of games.

However, I hope you have a good day, and that fortune kisses you on the head.


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[Tony Towner]

Just an observation. TWF is going to MM levels of extremes, the overacters versus the deniers. The loss and particularly the manner of the loss to a poor West Ham side deserves a lot more disection than, 'put it down as one of those games', equally it's too early to say the sky is falling in.

The more one side digs in the worse the other becomes. We need to be collectively better. Sermon over.

 

[prawnking]

Good morning - my beef is not that you criticise, but the degree of the reaction - ie not that we played badly, but that the whole project is screwed in just a couple of games.

However, I hope you have a good day, and that fortune kisses you on the head.


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Let's be straight: any kind of view on TWF that isn't broadly positive/pro-club/ 'let's wait and see' about every situation generally gets short shrift. Especially when certain usernames do it.

But to expect people on a matchday thread where we've had our most humiliating defeat since promotion to not react to it with incredulity or criticism as it unfolds, but instead coolly behave as if it's all a 4D chess game is pretty unrealistic.

My original comment was so mild, the extrapolation of that by some people to mean I'm saying' the whole project is screwed' is what's actually OTT if we're talking about degrees of reaction.

Hope you all have a pleasant and positive day too. I think we all need it

 

[prawnking]

Just an observation. TWF is going to MM levels of extremes, the overacters versus the deniers. The loss and particularly the manner of the loss to a poor West Ham side deserves a lot more disection than, 'put it down as one of those games', equally it's too early to say the sky is falling in.

The more one side digs in the worse the other becomes. We need to be collectively better. Sermon over.

Very fair and balanced as usual from you mate.

 

[Freddeno]

Poorest performance under Nuno...embarassing

 

[Premier Quality]

So my perspective is that whilst obviously we were awful yesterday, it was only one game and we weren’t that bad in the previous two. Nuno is obviously trying to change the way we play (the evolution tm) and we’re obviously not going to be perfect from the start. I also agree with what he’s trying to do - to progress from where we have been, we need to score more goals and win more games. (Ideally without conceding too many more).

There’s a lot of work to go - and I’m in the camp that would still like another cb and another cm - but I think I can be both disappointed by how bad we were yesterday, and also optimistic about this season.

I have absolute faith Nuno will make this evolution work, even if there are some bumpy points on the way.

Hopefully not too many more like yesterday though!

 

[Wilf Wolf]

If we were still playing now I doubt we’d have scored. Add that to woeful defending and it leaves Nuno with plenty to ponder. If we are going to succeed in changing the system to be more possession-based I think Podence is going to be critical. Neto and Traore both run forwards at every opportunity and too often go down blind alleys and lose possession either directly or through a poor cross into the box where Raul is still largely unsupported. I cannot help thinking Hoever immediately looked better than Semedo and Silva looks like a youth player, which I suppose he is but at £35m I expected to see some signs he’s special.

Neves looked more influential as soon as Moutinho went off, the time has arrived when one of the plus Donk should be starting.

On to Fulham and hopefully we can bounce back and put last night down to a bad day. In the meantime if there is more money available spend it on central defence or central midfield.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Do you just copy and paste this every week ?

To Be fair he does have a point, Vinagre needs binning
He was not the reason we lost, he is a major issue though

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Donk was great in the first game, no idea why Nuno thought it correct to then ignore him for the next 2.

On his way out?

 

[prawnking]

Re: the evolution: You have to have faith in Nuno, he's earned that, but last night made me think this is a multiple transfer window, multiple season job.

All we've really done in terms of squad development is sign a Doc-max and some very promising understudies. We don't seem to have signed anyone with a skillset radically different from what's already in the squad? I'd have thought we needed that if we're changing from counter attacking to a more possession based style?

To conclude on what I'm sure will be perceived as a negative note, I actually agree with Del earlier in the thread in that I'm a bit unsure that the timing of this sea change is really sensible, with the limited pre season and chance to bed a new style in.

I don't think Nuno is above changing course if what he's trying obviously isn't working, but I hope we're not going down the Solbakken route of trying to get a squad to do what it isn't suited to. Time will tell, none of us has much to go on right now

 

[Kenny]

Well that was shit. A long time since I watched a Wolves game in stunned silence.

Have to give Hammers huge credit though. They got their plan spot on and we didn't react to it or change to counter it, which was very odd. I will worry of the next game follows the same pattern but as that is at the end of the week I will instead psend my time following made up transfer rumours on Twitter rather than look back at the game.

 

[Tredman]

On his way out?

Nah, he is perfect for Nuno's squad - he just seems to think the technical ability of the other 2 is worth more.

 

[Dire Wolf]

My view, for which I'm sure I'll get slated, is that whilst this was clearly the worst performance for a very long time, it does come on the back of a run of games where we haven't been all that good. Going back to the post lockdown restart, we won our first 3 against 3 very poor sides, but since then have been at best inconsistent. There have been quite a few really poor performances in that time where we have looked really toothless and lacking in spark. At the end of last season it was attributed to tiredness after a long old season. But the players had about 4 weeks rest and apart from a good half against Sheff Utd and a purple patch of 20 minutes against Man City nothing much seems to have changed really. Ponderous, toothless and lacking in creativity could sum up more than half of our performances since the post lockdown restart.

Flame away.