Coronavirus

[Premier Quality]

*waiting patiently for the answer to this one*

Rishi Sunak - Born in Southampton, Hampshire to an Indian Punjabi family, his early education was at Winchester College. Sunak subsequently studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Lincoln College, Oxford, and later gained an MBA from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar. After graduating, Sunak worked for investment bank Goldman Sachs, and later as a partner at the hedge fund management firm The Children's Investment Fund Management.

That’s not bad for the age of 35 - I assume you’ve achieved more by that age?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44565750

Michael Gove above from the bbc

Now - I’m not defending them as such - more that blanket whining about the government is pretty pathetic. A few people need to grow up a bit and be a bit more nuanced, else what’s the point?

We know a few of you hate them and wouldn’t say anything nice about them if they saved your mothers life, then bought her a house, so your opinions are pretty irrelevant. If you want to make an argument, you need to be able to demonstrate balance. I wonder how far some of the people whining on here have gone in their own lives and careers.

What do you do AndyWolves?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He wasn't on that list :icon_lol:

I don't selectively ignore all the good things they do just so I can slag them off. They're just uniformly rubbish, how horrible they are ranges on a scale of "damned by association" to "get in the sea".

 

[darlowolf64]

I like Sunak's ability to communicate. We don't know much about him other than that.

As the clown prince stacked the inner sanctum primarily with people who have the ability to chant along like nursery age children during Cabinet meetings rather than picking people on actual political ability, then no, I don't like many of them.

If you'd like to point me to all the stunning achievements of the likes of Raab, Truss, Gove, Williamson, Hancock, Shapps, Morgan, Patel and Rees-Mogg and why I should like them, I'm all ears. Bear in mind it will have to cancel out all the terrible things I already know about them.

For the deliberately obtuse, this is the bit in bold that needs answering...

 

[Johnny75]

Who has said they have done anything good?

 

[Paul]

This is where I do agree with the rampant socialists on here. The private school system shouldn't exist, not because everybody should have an equal education, that's impossible to achieve, but you shouldn't need to pay for a good education.

You see, I see a good education up to a standard as an inalienable right, but above that, when it becomes a choice then you should pay, unless you cannot afford to, then provision should be made. I do believe that there should be a lot more accountability by the further education houses, justifying research grants and tuition charges (don't get me started on nursing home charges )

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Who has said they have done anything good?

PQ asked if there were any Tories "us lot" liked.

I asked in turn why I should when they're mostly manifestly awful. I'm open to having my mind changed, maybe I've missed what a shrewd operator Liz Truss really is. I can't keep up with everything.

 

[darlowolf64]

Who has said they have done anything good?

So, despite being elected representatives and high up members of the Government, they don't have to actually represent all of the people in the Country, just their rich mates?

This is actually getting away from CV19 so I will just leave it there even though their attitudes over the last 10 years in Government has led to the NHS being criminally under funded and therefore struggling to handle the pandemic

 

[Johnny75]

You see, I see a good education up to a standard as an inalienable right, but above that, when it becomes a choice then you should pay, unless you cannot afford to, then provision should be made. I do believe that there should be a lot more accountability by the further education houses, justifying research grants and tuition charges (don't get me started on nursing home charges )

My problem with that stance is you have put in a barrier to entry. To bring it back to this thread, we could've missed out on brilliant immunologists, epidemiologists and virologists just because of that monetary barrier to entry. The best way, IMO, to stop people behaving like bellends is to educate them, look at the current nonsense over 5G networks, Farage, Anti Vaccine, flat earth theory and Tommy Robinson. Educate the populous that these people and conspiracy theories are all bollocks and you don't have Trump in the White House and half the bollocks keeping us as a human race in thrall to some absolutely evil people.

 

[Johnny75]

So, despite being elected representatives and high up members of the Government, they don't have to actually represent all of the people in the Country, just their rich mates?

This is actually getting away from CV19 so I will just leave it there even though their attitudes over the last 10 years in Government has led to the NHS being criminally under funded and therefore struggling to handle the pandemic

Straw man argument at its finest.

 

[AndyWolves]

Rishi Sunak - Born in Southampton, Hampshire to an Indian Punjabi family, his early education was at Winchester College. Sunak subsequently studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Lincoln College, Oxford, and later gained an MBA from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar. After graduating, Sunak worked for investment bank Goldman Sachs, and later as a partner at the hedge fund management firm The Children's Investment Fund Management.

That’s not bad for the age of 35 - I assume you’ve achieved more by that age?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44565750

Michael Gove above from the bbc

Now - I’m not defending them as such - more that blanket whining about the government is pretty pathetic. A few people need to grow up a bit and be a bit more nuanced, else what’s the point?

We know a few of you hate them and wouldn’t say anything nice about them if they saved your mothers life, then bought her a house, so your opinions are pretty irrelevant. If you want to make an argument, you need to be able to demonstrate balance. I wonder how far some of the people whining on here have gone in their own lives and careers.

What do you do AndyWolves?

*still waiting for the answer to the question*

What I do is completely irrelevant to this.

You've assumed I hate them, which is false. My own, personal like or dislike doesn't come into it, what I'm interested in is evidence that those people DW mentioned have done brilliant things.

What I really want to know is what do you know about them that I don't to hold them in such high-esteem? What have they done in their positions of power which makes you admire them so much?

 

[Sniffer]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44565750

Michael Gove above from the bbc

?

Mary Ann Sieghart is a writer and broadcaster. She worked alongside Michael Gove when he was a columnist for The Times newspaper.

Unbiased account then.

 

[Paul]

I asked in turn why I should when they're mostly manifestly awful. I'm open to having my mind changed, maybe I've missed what a shrewd operator Liz Truss really is. I can't keep up with everything.

She wrote a book....... surely the sign of someone odd ???

The above statement is purely for fun and not intended as a slight or criticism of any forum member whatsoever

 

[Premier Quality]

For the deliberately obtuse, this is the bit in bold that needs answering...

I’ll copy and paste from above for those of you that can’t read (Hi Darlo!! )

url]https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44565750[/url]

Michael Gove above from the bbc

Raab below

The son of a Czech-born Jewish refugee who fled the Nazis in 1938, Mr Raab was brought up in Buckinghamshire and took a law degree at Oxford University before switching to Cambridge for his Master's. Before politics: Foreign office lawyer. He was the lead on a team focusing on bringing war criminals to justice at The Hague

I’ll do a few more when I get the chance (working from home)

 

[darlowolf64]

Straw man argument at its finest.

Oh Johnny... Come on mate. Their past voting record in the last 10 years has no bearing on the situation today?

Now I know that YOU are better than that

 

[Rui_CostCo]

TO RUI....calm it down, give a personal opinion ( which is what the TWF is all about)and stop being a bible of non understandable facts.
you have got simply too boring to follow.
Do you have a personal opinion??
I don't disagree with you, i just cannot for the life of me, understand where the fuck you are coming from....and more important, where and who you want to be.

Hi Pavlos, If I express my opinion based on fact and figures and conversations I get slated and basically get called a Socialist twat with an agenda, so I left Stuart McDonald, Head of Demographic Assumptions and Methodology at Lloyds Banking Group who can hardly be described as to explaining exactly why you should not be listening to people like Hannan, Hitchens,Toby Young and The Sun who are spreading dangerous and irresponsible disinformation that is going a long way to forming peoples opinions. Maybe I should have added quotation marks, everything below the first paragreaph is direct from Stuart McDonald.

It's the kind of bad thinking that will get people killed.

I regularly read things posted that it is quite clear have come from reading the kind of disinformation Stuart is trying to counter. It's not only registered active members that read this site, a lot of other people do too. If me posting factual information to counter things that are being said, that if I comment on I receive ersonal abuse for saves just one life it will be worth all the grief.

 

[Johnny75]

Raab is the man who called social care a childish wishlist. Hadn't read the Good Friday agreement when talking to the commons committee about plans for Ireland after Brexit and didn't know the importance of Dover and Calais's proximity during his Brexit campaign.

He's an appalling man.

 

[Premier Quality]

*still waiting for the answer to the question*

What I do is completely irrelevant to this.

You've assumed I hate them, which is false. My own, personal like or dislike doesn't come into it, what I'm interested in is evidence that those people DW mentioned have done brilliant things.

What I really want to know is what do you know about them that I don't to hold them in such high-esteem? What have they done in their positions of power which makes you admire them so much?

I don’t hold them in massively high esteem - I just like balance in criticism.
My personal perspective is that’s it too early to bitch and moan, or praise yet, we haven’t seen the results.

And part of that includes the perspective of the person criticising - so I’m assuming your achievements outweigh theirs, giving you real authority? I don’t know you, so am genuinely interested What have you achieved in your life that enables you to dish it out? Hence - what do you do?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

She wrote a book....... surely the sign of someone odd ???

The above statement is purely for fun and not intended as a slight or criticism of any forum member whatsoever

Opened up new pork markets too.

Clearly I've got her all wrong.

Besides which, the question was "do you like them". Not "list their CV (outside of politics, where none of them have done anything positive and yet still are in a lofty governmental position)". Why should I like any of those people? They're a mix of totally unprincipled careerists, brazen liars, outright oddballs or plain unpleasant. The Venn diagram for some of them overlaps quite a lot.

Oh and two of them have been (rightly) sacked from the Cabinet in the last year or so and then brought back, there's a top mark of quality.

 

[darlowolf64]

Raab is the man who called social care a childish wishlist. Hadn't read the Good Friday agreement when talking to the commons committee about plans for Ireland after Brexit and didn't know the importance of Dover and Calais's proximity during his Brexit campaign.

He's an appalling man.

Straw man argument at its finest...

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Who has said they have done anything good?

So you think this yourself, but criticise people for criticising them?