The Royals

[Alan]

Debate content, not semantics.

The “Three Branches” of our government all have some ability to override the decisions of the others. The Judiciary most explicitly (and tbf the Executive and Legislative branches can’t repeal a judicial decision, only attempt to force a re-review).

The President is the figurehead, so in that sense they are “on top” but from a legal point of view they are not “above” Congress or the Supreme Court.

 

[Johnny75]

Yet most people around the world can name the president but not the leaders of the other 2 houses or probably a single member of the judiciary.

It's about perception more than anything.

And I'll debate what I like thanks

 

[Alan]

How can you take that view of the Presidency and yet brush off the influence of the Royals like it’s nothing?

Isn’t this exactly what you’re arguing the Royals don’t have?

 

[Johnny75]

How can you take that view of the Presidency and yet brush off the influence of the Royals like it’s nothing?

Isn’t this exactly what you’re arguing the Royals don’t have?

They don't have any influence Alan. Regardless of what some may tell you they are purely ceremonial.

As far as I know the President of the USA isn't.

 

[Alan]

Okay, let’s accept that. What makes your PM different from the President, then?

 

[Tony Towner]

Okay, let’s accept that. What makes your PM different from the President, then?

We don't vote for a Prime Minister

 

[Templeton Peck]

They don't have any influence Alan. Regardless of what some may tell you they are purely ceremonial.

As far as I know the President of the USA isn't.

This is incorrect.

 

[Johnny75]

This is incorrect.

You still haven't said what influence they have.

So what is it?

 

[Templeton Peck]

You still haven't said what influence they have.

So what is it?

Revealed: ministers sought Charles’s consent to pass conservation laws affecting his business

The government wrote to the then Prince of Wales in 2019, seeking approval for legislation that had implications for his estates

www.google.com

I mean there are plenty of laws that affect my life that I'd like to change but strangely enough nobody gives a shit.

 

[BillyDee]

CarrieAntoinette Johnson had "influence", and she wasn't a Royal, no matter what she thought...
Lots of rich people have influence, particularly with this government.

 

[Johnny75]

Revealed: ministers sought Charles’s consent to pass conservation laws affecting his business

The government wrote to the then Prince of Wales in 2019, seeking approval for legislation that had implications for his estates

www.google.com

I mean there are plenty of laws that affect my life that I'd like to change but strangely enough nobody gives a shit.

The Crown didn't decree anything. It was ceremonial and nothing the crown could have done about it even if they had objected.

Try again.

 

[Johnny75]

CarrieAntoinette Johnson had "influence", and she wasn't a Royal, no matter what she thought...
Lots of rich people have influence, particularly with this government.

Lobbyists from Tufton St. Loan givers to various ministers. Right wing loons that happen to be donors.

All have influence.

It's a desperate strawgrab from some to prove they're right. Although why is beyond me .

 

[Alan]

We don't vote for a Prime Minister

In terms of how they express their power, I mean. Like, what can a President do that a PM can’t.

 

[Tony Towner]

Arbitrarily pardon criminals

 

[Templeton Peck]

Prince Charles's 'black spider memos' show lobbying at highest political level

Publication of 27 letters after 10-year legal battle shows heir to the throne petitioning ministers on subjects from the Iraq war to alternative therapies

www.google.com

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Arbitrarily pardon criminals

Rig the Supreme Court for decades

 

[Alan]

Arbitrarily pardon criminals

Seems like that’s probably not the only thing.

 

[Alan]

Rig the Supreme Court for decades

I’m gonna put this one on the Founders. “Lifetime service” for Justices… GTFO with that.

 

[Templeton Peck]

The fact that others have influence is irrelevant. The Monarchy is meant to be different.

 

[sycophantia]

I have no time for the Royal family whatsoever and think they are leeches. But that’s my personal view. To pretend they have any great power is palpable nonsense so if people want to like them and revel in the coronation who am I to say they shouldn’t? If royalists enjoy it then fair play to them. Equally, I can ignore the whole thing. And that’s fine too.

The voice of reason, who'd have thought