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Chelsea 3-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

Final observation from last night. Tickets went to general sale, it's a Monday night and on TV so it might not be typical. If it is, boy our away fanbase is old, I'm 52 and I'd say I was somewhere in the middle, not particularly healthy for the future.
 
Cunha is the best player on a shite team doesn't do him well. He feels he needs to be involved in EVERY build up in order for Wolves to score a goal. When he isn't and we don't score it just proves his point to himself. When he does score and we give up goals as easy as we do, he feels overwhelmed, as his effort went for naught. This is a slippery slope.

We need to find a way to get a couple of clean sheets, so we have a chance to get a point.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Yep, fair summary.

They're both talented and fickle.
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From their perspective, particularly Cunha’s, a career peak is fleeting and one lost season can irrevocably lessen future prospects.

Tough one. When the club is in a state like this, everyone stands to lose.

For clarity, I’ll disclaim that I didn’t notice any particular half-assing from Cunha on Monday. Frustration, sure, but not lack of effort.
 
Yeah there was a massive overreaction to the Cunha performance, was he good? No. However, he has just come off his ban and in the game before his ban he came off with an injury, he was also was ill in the intervening period. He's allowed a bad game without the pile on from some fans and the local press - I didn't realise so many of them were body language experts? If he's pissed off he's probably got a right to be after that, he's been our best player all season, he's on 10 goals and we'd be buried already if not for him.
 
Cunha’s been excellent this season but he’s had a few games where he’s tried to do to much, got frustrated and generally been poor. Chelsea was just another one of those kind of games. Suggestions that it was one of the worst performances from a Wolves player are comical. He may leave, he might have more or this type of performance, only time will tell, but the amount of extrapolation from one disappointing performance is ridiculous.
 
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I'm just as concerned with JSL as with Cunha. I think JSL is getting frustrated at the lack of supply. Not sure his body language was any better than Cunha's
 
Bigbadwulf07 said:
I'm just as concerned with JSL as with Cunha. I think JSL is getting frustrated at the lack of supply. Not sure his body language was any better than Cunha's
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JSL needs to show a bit better movement to get better service. The one decent run he made in behind near the end of the Chelsea game (left side of the box) he was played in on goal immediately by Cunha (IIRC).
 
The Bear said:
JSL needs to show a bit better movement to get better service. The one decent run he made in behind near the end of the Chelsea game (left side of the box) he was played in on goal immediately by Cunha (IIRC).
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He needs to battle more, he's too nice. He was pocketed on Monday by Chelsea's back up centre halves, he didn't lay a glove on them.
 
Alan said:
From their perspective, particularly Cunha’s, a career peak is fleeting and one lost season can irrevocably lessen future prospects.

Tough one. When the club is in a state like this, everyone stands to lose.

For clarity, I’ll disclaim that I didn’t notice any particular half-assing from Cunha on Monday. Frustration, sure, but not lack of effort.
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His body language (which can be poor at times as we’ve seen) was no different to any other game. People like Keen who know fuck all about football anyway clearly have an agenda or been fed a line and to run with.

He just looked not at the races tbh. He was poor but when we had an opportunity to break he was quite reluctant to sprint or go at full pelt, or he literally just couldn’t which is what I think.
 
YoungWolf said:
He just looked not at the races tbh. He was poor but when we had an opportunity to break he was quite reluctant to sprint or go at full pelt, or he literally just couldn’t which is what I think.
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Yeah, I don't know how you could watch that game and not see he wasn't fully committed. I don't think he broke out of a jog for the first half an hour. There are reasons why that may have been the case beyond not trying, but there's no way he just had a bad game as some have suggested.
 
The uncertainty could be as much about changing his role tactically from GO to VP, no?

Far be it from me to give a player way too much slack, I suppose, but it’s bonkers to me that footballers apparently feel so free to just not give 100% (or are perceived as such, anyway).

Maybe it’s the sheer volume of other pro clubs out there, but if a player is really going on the pitch and not genuinely making an effort, they ought to be sacked. That goes doubly for the whole “on the beach” crap. I don’t give a fuck if we’re safe but mathematically out of Europe, be a fucking professional and take some pride in what you do for fuck’s fucking sake.

Sorry, I’m on a short fuse lately.
 
Alan said:
The uncertainty could be as much about changing his role tactically from GO to VP, no?

Far be it from me to give a player way too much slack, I suppose, but it’s bonkers to me that footballers apparently feel so free to just not give 100% (or are perceived as such, anyway).

Maybe it’s the sheer volume of other pro clubs out there, but if a player is really going on the pitch and not genuinely making an effort, they ought to be sacked. That goes doubly for the whole “on the beach” crap. I don’t give a fuck if we’re safe but mathematically out of Europe, be a fucking professional and take some pride in what you do for fuck’s fucking sake.

Sorry, I’m on a short fuse lately.
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I think sometimes it only takes a few percentage points difference in effort for it to be apparent on the pitch, and it might not even be a conscious thing. The levels that these guys perform at magnify it imvho
 
AndyWolves said:
I think sometimes it only takes a few percentage points difference in effort for it to be apparent on the pitch, and it might not even be a conscious thing. The levels that these guys perform at magnify it imvho
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Good point, well made.
 
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