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Southampton 1-2 Wolves. Verdict Thread

Cyber said:
No we are not. No where near. We had played a shit load of EL games and had performed really well in them as we after a poor league start.
This could be a turning point to build on but it asks just as many questions. Moutinho still looked off it and his set piece play sucks. Coady made some good blocks but was also done a couple of times, once for the goal.Dendonker still looks sideways rather than forward. And MGW , Vitinha and Otasowie never had a kick. What do we do with them going forward?
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Not true, we are omly 4 points off this time last season
 
Johnny75 said:
Can see the thinking Sam but not for me.
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Fair enough mate. I'm not writing Jose off by any means, it isn't as if he has had much to feed off recently and he does look better with Neto and Traore closer to him, just would be quite interesting to see Silva there I think.
 
Wolvensam said:
Fair enough mate. I'm not writing Jose off by any means, it isn't as if he has had much to feed off recently and he does look better with Neto and Traore closer to him, just would be quite interesting to see Silva there I think.
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It would certainly bring the best out of Fabio - Jose should really have rendered talk of Fabio playing as unnecessary, but he has looked disinterested and off the pace.
 
Just saw a goals by teenagers stat on Sky, Fabio 2nd
 
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Tony Towner said:
Clearly the tactical switch at half time worked, but it was as much to do with the belief and confidence the penalty gave us. We started on the front foot in the first half that petered out after about 15 mins and after they scored shoulders slumped and the body language was one of here we go again.

The second half was only a repeat of that start of the first the difference being we were given a ropey* penalty. That goal like most others we have scored gave us belief. We always have a little 10 minute or spell afterwards, and as with Arsenal, Albion and Chelsea we got that second goal and confidence goes higher. We'll never know if that second half would have petered out after the initial period as with the first.

Obviously we have to stay with the inverted forwards, but I'd still bin off the back 3, Coady remains in awful form, we still concede soft goals and we never take advantage of the extra man at the back. A couple of times Donck stepped up into midfield today, stopped turned around and passed backwards. I don't see what it offers. Play someone in midfield to sit a bit deeper instead of Moutinho and then add another attacking option 4231/4222

*ropey in as much as the current interpretation of the law is bollocks rather than it not being a penalty under them.
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Thought we completely bossed the second half even before the penalty we looked like we could create something.
As for the 'ropey penalty' I've changed my mind on reflection. Initially thought he was a bit unlucky but after seeing a few more times I think if Bertrand doesn't turn away while leaving his arm out, he see's the ball coming, mostly defenders in that position these days hide their arms out of the way. Also his hand is a foot away from his body, although its hard to tell for sure, Semedo's shot looks on target to me.
As for the Donk handball.........'I didn't see it'......
 
Relieved but most of all happy with the win. Southampton can bleat all they want about decisions that went against them today/in our favour but we've been on the end of those far too often and there's been far worse VARcicals. Not sure what's our problem with first halves. Second half we played something like we used to, not quite at those levels, but infinitely better that the first half, when again we made Soton look far better than they really are. Neto man of the match for the goal but Neves not a million miles behind. I do think we need to get more energy into our midfield. Sure Nuno can see the same. Willian Jose (like Silva before him) desperately needs a goal. Looking a wee bit lost at the mo. UTW.
 
Our penalty was not a VAR decision, it was given by the ref on the field. Their claims for a penalty were dismissed by the ref on the field. VAR’s role in both was to check for a clear and obvious error. In the absence of VAR both or neither could have been awarded by the ref and we would be talking about in the pub where these decisions should be debated.
 
Tony Towner said:
Obviously we have to stay with the inverted forwards, but I'd still bin off the back 3, Coady remains in awful form, we still concede soft goals and we never take advantage of the extra man at the back. A couple of times Donck stepped up into midfield today, stopped turned around and passed backwards. I don't see what it offers. Play someone in midfield to sit a bit deeper instead of Moutinho and then add another attacking option 4231/4222
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3 at the back is fine if we play it right. We did second half.

We can’t have Neves dropping into the back 3 to receive the ball. You’re going to struggle to create with 4 men behind the ball. That means you’ve got 6 on 10 in the rest of the pitch.

With the forwards playing wide and the WBs standing next to them you then have 1 man isolated in the middle so even if they do work an attacking situation it won’t (/highly unlikely) result in a goal.

Problem when we play the 4 is Semedo still plays as gung ho (if not more!) than when he does in a 5. So a simple ball into that channel if we lose it and their forward is running at/past Neves and Coady. No one wants to see that.

If Semedo is going to carry on getting forward in the 4 then Donck has to be a full time sitter (which is what he’s best at), Neves can’t do it on his own, and the CBs need protection.

Neither formation is particularly offensive/defensive. It’s what you do within it. We generally haven’t been getting the balance right in either.
 
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Personally I don't think Moutinho is any where near done yet.

I think he's suffering from 18 months of pretty much continuous football without a proper break. Which at his age and in his midfield position, is asking for burn out. He's obviously very fit and can maintain a reasonable standard but it's not surprising its hurting his consistency and average performance level badly now.
 
Seems weirdly ok. Can you imagine this place (or worse the Mix) if we had lost 6 league games in a row including one 9-0.
 
The Bear said:
Personally I don't think Moutinho is any where near done yet.

I think he's suffering from 18 months of pretty much continuous football without a proper break. Which at his age and in his midfield position, is asking for burn out. He's obviously very fit and can maintain a reasonable standard but it's not surprising its hurting his consistency and average performance level badly now.
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Exactly.

Which is why playing him for 90 minutes in the week, in a game Nuno clearly wanted to lose, was even more baffling.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Predictably a lot of hand wringing about the Bertrand penalty, i don't get it to be honest. Was a penalty all day.
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Yeah it was the Donk one we probably got away with. Bertrand's was a stonewaller.

They go in about them having a go at Mike Dean being an issue but forget Nuno had a go at Mason as well. Surely Evens itself out of they're biased against criticism.
 
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