Southampton 1-2 Wolves. Verdict Thread

[Tredman]

If not for injuries

 

[Paul]

Seems weirdly ok. Can you imagine this place (or worse the Mix) if we had lost 6 league games in a row including one 9-0.

About the same before yesterday, to be honest

 

[The Bear]

Wolves tweeted a video of the 2 goals played side by side last night, as you say the similarity is uncanny

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361072726882967552

Abracadabra! Muscle to go with the magic!

 

[Tony Towner]

SEB's is a fair way ahead for me. Lovely goal from Neto, but shocking from Vestegaard. Not sure there was much Charlton could have done.

 

[redvictor]

Nice bit of video editing! Neto's was at more of a difficult angle than SEB's, but both great goals.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

The only thing i n saints web pissed me off was the accusations of Diving, it happened.in here after Thursday.

Thursday several times they went in Studs up on our players and caught them, Make no mistake they fucking Hurt, i thought they JWP, could have had 3 yellows Thursday, today Romelu should have walked after he went straight through the back of Moutinho whilst on a Yellow.

On the penalties, originally i thought Bertrand was unlucky, then you see he turned side on, raised his hand to shoulder height, that is an unnatural position so was a penalty, I would be asking Bertrand WTF his.arm.was.doing there, most players keep there arms tucked in now. It was not like, Kilmans V Leicester when the ball hit his arm in a natural running action.

I am going to sound like Wenger now, i was taking a piss when Dendonker handled and I still have not seen the footage.
Someone said he was stooping to head, it took a deflection of a Saints player and went down on to his arm that was where you would naturally have your arm, if thats true, I can see why it was not given.

The trouble is at the moment the handball rule is so confusing for Pundits, fans, and Players, to be honest I dont even think Refs fully understand it. I still get the Laws sent through each I am so glad I no longer Ref games.

 

[The Bear]

It really isn't that confusing tbh. It's just that pundits and commentators can't be arsed to learn the new interpretations properly.

 

[Lupo]

McCoist has managed to mention it yet again on Talksport this morning

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

It really isn't that confusing tbh. It's just that pundits and commentators can't be arsed to learn the new interpretations properly.

Do the refs know, we have seen some baffling decisions this season, similar hand balls ignored.

 

[Tony Towner]

McCoist has managed to mention it yet again on Talksport this morning

If he's saying they both should have been penalties then he's right. It's a nonsense interpretation of the law, but they both are

 

[Tredman]

Still looks to me as though it hit Donk on the sleeve, so shouldn't be a pen under the current rules?

 

[Tony Towner]

Still looks to me as though it hit Donk on the sleeve, so shouldn't be a pen under the current rules?

I posted an image higher up, it hits him just above the elbow

 

[Wilf Wolf]

If he's saying they both should have been penalties then he's right. It's a nonsense interpretation of the law, but they both are

One stopped a shot, the other deflected close to the player and just bounced off an arm. I can see why one was given and the other wasn’t.

 

[Tony Towner]

One stopped a shot, the other deflected close to the player and just bounced off an arm. I can see why one was given and the other wasn’t.

Not the official interpretation of the law though

 

[Jinky]

If he's saying they both should have been penalties then he's right. It's a nonsense interpretation of the law, but they both are

I didn't hear him on the radio this morning, but yesterday he was basically saying they're both penalties or they're both not.

Let's be honest, if the decisions were the other way around, we would be absolutely fuming and we'd be saying exactly the same as McCoist above.

The argument is the inconsistency of the decisions. We see it in more or less every game, every single week. It just happens that this time around we've dropped on the right/lucky side of the call. Next week it will be the other way around.

 

[darlowolf64]

Not the official interpretation of the law though

You're right but the law brings "t-shirt line" into the discussion. The picture you posted is a freeze frame, from behind with no indication of when and where the ball struck. Did the referee make an obvious mistake on either decision? I would say no

 

[Lupo]

My annoyance is how many decisions seem to go against us and get very little media discussion and when ones do go in our favour they are all over it, that really pisses me off. I keep using the Gibbs handball in the BCD as an example, IIRC MOTD didn't even discuss that one

 

[Tony Towner]

You're right but the law brings "t-shirt line" into the discussion. The picture you posted is a freeze frame, from behind with no indication of when and where the ball struck. Did the referee make an obvious mistake on either decision? I would say no

The ball didn't roll down his arm, you can see on the replay it hits him flush and the image shows you where. Neither player meant to handball it, it's a joke that either could be considered so, but after you take away where did it hit and did it deflect off a part of his own body first then there is only one element which is open to interpretation which is was his arm making a larger silhouette/in an unnatural position which it is. Therefore it is an obvious mistake in as much as I doubt he had a clear view with Vestergaard? ducking away at the last moment. It's a crap interpretation officiated inconsistently

 

[Tony Towner]

My annoyance is how many decisions seem to go against us and get very little media discussion and when ones do go in our favour they are all over it, that really pisses me off. I keep using the Gibbs handball in the BCD as an example, IIRC MOTD didn't even discuss that one

The only logical conclusion to that one is they thought Fabio fouled Button

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Not the official interpretation of the law though

Wolves penalty much more obvious than the one we conceded against Leicester as arm in raised position. Southampton's claim far less obvious than handball against WBA. Looking at it from a Wolves perspective both seem reasonable decisions, especially as Bertrand was blocking a shot.