Let's talk about Nuno....

[Deutsch Wolf]

I suppose not, but my frustration there is he is a central midfielder and we don't put him there.

Why are we asking him to audition in positions where he shouldn't be? If someone were running for a role in Peaky Blinders you wouldn't ask them to do a medley of ABBA songs to see if they were any good.

 

[Tredman]

Absolute tosh, when Adama plays well he's a world beater when he doesn't, it's Nunos fault, I'm beginning to think you are Adama trying to see a hint of a Spanish accent in your typing

If we were to take your posts as representative Adama has never played well and would appear to be the spawn of the devil, whose sole purpose in life is to give energy to your posts.

 

[Tredman]

I suppose not, but my frustration there is he is a central midfielder and we don't put him there.

Why are we asking him to audition in positions where he shouldn't be? If someone were running for a role in Peaky Blinders you wouldn't ask them to do a medley of ABBA songs to see if they were any good.

Vitinha or MGW would both be good option in CM with Neves, certainly both would look to get forward more.

 

[Tony Towner]

Vitinha or MGW would both be good option in CM with Neves, certainly both would look to get forward more.

Give them both a go, one in CM and the other CAM

 

[redvictor]

We keep saying this. We said it in the last window. The spine of any team is the basis of success and our spine is brittle with Fabio
Moutinho and no real centre back. WJ gets a few more games but ffs let’s start playing to the strengths of the personnel selected. Lumping balls in the air to any of the starting front three was stupidity at best last night. Selecting Neves and Moutinho when that selection has one win in about 20 games this season. It clearly isn’t enough any more. Otasowie gets touted not because he is some world class midfielder but he has shown he brings bite , drive and a desire to attack which bar one absolute worldly against Chelsea , is the exact opposite of Moutinho at the moment. Stick WJ up top with Neto left and Traore right and play MGW behind WJ. Even then they need more support, pace and momentum attacking. Our attacks are slower than over 50s football on the park. And god knows how many times we turn a promising attack into defence. We have turned it into an art form. Really pissed off. I felt we were utterly gutless last night and that’s a serious charge.

That in bold. It doesn't help that every time you get a slightly settled side it gets chopped and changed, and then you are back to square one. I get he wanted to rest people last night, but instead of a few he should have just chucked the u23's as a whole team in. Playing the personell and way they did last night did much more harm to confidence than they would have imagined.

I don't know if he does allow it, but Nuno needs some help on the tactical side of it. We are so much better than the turgid dross we saw last night.

 

[AndyWolves]

That in bold. It doesn't help that every time you get a slightly settled side it gets chopped and changed, and then you are back to square one. I get he wanted to rest people last night, but instead of a few he should have just chucked the u23's as a whole team in. Playing the personal and way they did last night did much more harm to confidence than they would have imagined.

I don't know if he does allow it, but Nuno needs some help on the tactical side of it. We are so much better than the turgid dross we saw last night.

I've always thought you can "get away" with putting kids in but they need to have a senior supporting them. That front 3 was never going to work, I'd have much preferred to see something like Neto, Silva and MGW first half and then Vitinha, Jose and Adama second half.

Players are still getting a rest and it means that you've got some experienced players on the pitch.

 

[prawnking]

Your TWF narrative is tiresome, people have different opinions and don't operate as a single entity.

Every forum has dominant posters and a dominant viewpoint. If it didn't, this forum wouldn't exist and we'd all still be on Molineux Mix (which we all contribute to a narrative about too, incidentally).

Compared to much of social media and Wolves fora I've seen, TWF prides itself on being measured and is very pro-Nuno and much more forgiving of players like Semedo. It has a definite kind of distinctive vibe, and if I didn't enjoy and agree with a lot of it I wouldn't be here.

Regarding the traction the 'sell Adama' thing is getting, I can see the attraction of that, but we're also saying that Nuno needs a pre season with these new players to help them gel and cement partnerships, maybe Adama would benefit from that too? He's not the only player to have a drop in form this season, and (although he has been much more effective) Neto has a very similar tendency to play as a head down individual.

Most of us are already saying don't give up on Nuno after one bad season, but it's OK to do that with Adama? And turn getting three first team players in the summer into four? We've seen how even replacing a player as limited as Doc doesn't necessarily bring instant success and improvement...

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm surprised that it's seen as necessary to sell Adama to fund player purchases, are we not a wealthy club? Can we not keep Adama and buy players as well?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Finance shouldn't be an issue unless there's a background issue they aren't telling us about (I don't think there is, not beyond anything that the entire world is experiencing anyway).

I'd say we should sell Adama because he isn't very good.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Finance shouldn't be an issue unless there's a background issue they aren't telling us about (I don't think there is, not beyond anything that the entire world is experiencing anyway).

I'd say we should sell Adama because he isn't very good.

His value will have dropped considerably since the end of last season, so what is the point in selling him? I'd sooner we try and improve the rest of the team/squad and hope that Adama improves too, which in turn returns him back to his value of last season. I really see no point in selling Adama for about the 25million he is probably worth at the moment. Especially as we all know that if Adama is on form he can be one of the most devastating players in the world.

 

[prawnking]

I'd say we should sell Adama because he isn't very good.

Previous to this season his Wolves career says otherwise, and if we're just talking this season then be careful with that description, cos we can easily add several senior players, a chunk of our summer signings and even the manager under the 'not very good' blanket

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The point being that I'm fairly sure it would be quite easy to sign a better player.

He's been here for two and a half years, he's had about 10 good games.

What was his value last season? No-one even bid for him.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The point being that I'm fairly sure it would be quite easy to sign a better player.

He's been here for two and a half years, he's had about 10 good games.

He's had far more than 10 good games, and it's not as easy to sign better players as you suggest either.

Have we signed players better than first team regulars Bennett, Doherty, Jota since they left?
On that basis I wouldn't trust Wolves to sign someone better than an in form Adama, no way.

Football players aren't like cars either, their value goes up and down, it would be really poor business to sell Adama whilst he is in poor form.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

What was his value last season? No-one even bid for him.

Well this whole conversation is moot then isn't it. If no one wants him, then we aren't going to sell him.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yes we have signed someone better than Matthew fucking Doherty.

Benno is not Premier League standard any more, this is why he isn't at a Premier League club despite us more or less giving him away.

The league champions came in for Jota and he wanted to go, I'm not sure what you want us to do there.

 

[Del Woppio]

Aye, for all that there's been talk of being unique in world football, he's basically had one 6-week purple patch of end product in his entire career. He's 25, he spent is formative years at La Masia - he ain't growing a footballing brain now. He's never going to be anything other than massively frustrating, and certainly not worth a start 8 times out of 10. I doubt anybody will buy him for his perceived value, he'll end up going on a free, and every time he gets a new club they'll hope they'll be the ones to unlock the secret door that actually just doesn't exist.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well this whole conversation is moot then isn't it. If no one wants him, then we aren't going to sell him.

I'm not surprised no-one wants a forward who never ever scores.

If we could have cashed in then we should have.

 

[redvictor]

Finance shouldn't be an issue unless there's a background issue they aren't telling us about (I don't think there is, not beyond anything that the entire world is experiencing anyway).

I'd say we should sell Adama because he isn't very good.

I agree he's not looking so good this season.
I personally think it would be a huge mistake to sell him. You cannot coach the speed he has. That is natural. You can coach tactics and game nouse IF he is willing to learn, and has the capability to. I'm sure the former he is, not sure on the latter going by what we see.
As Nuno says, he is unique. As far as I can see he needs coaching in a totally different way from anyone else.
He can and should be a game changing player. It's up to the coaching staff (and himself) to make it so.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Yes we have signed someone better than Matthew fucking Doherty.

Benno is not Premier League standard any more, this is why he isn't at a Premier League club despite us more or less giving him away.

The league champions came in for Jota and he wanted to go, I'm not sure what you want us to do there.

We haven't signed someone as yet that has proven to be better for the team than Doherty, Semedo does have some better technical attributes, no doubt.

But my overall point still remains, this idea that we just "sign someone better" isn't really there as being something we do. Who in the last 3 or 4 windows has significantly improved the 1st eleven? I can only think of Neto, please correct me if i am wrong.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't necessarily think our recruitment has been great. We might be able to get someone who plays nearly every game and has more than 0 goals and 0 assists though. Maybe.