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Fair enough but if you take care home deaths out of the equation (which were easy to control and should have been controlled) the lockdown appears to be a sledgehammer to crack a nut which has cost upwards of £300 Billion (which they had to borrow). How much did the Swedes borrow and lumber on their taxpayers ?

You can't "take care homes out of the equation" - there's no easy way to control infections in them that isn't also a way of controlling infections across all of society. The idea you could isolate specific parts of the community and have everyone else develop herd immunity was a speculative suggestion which is now looking more and more naive with each passing day, it wasn't based on a specific epidemiological gameplan.

And the reason it's important to recognise that Sweden's people have increasingly acted as if under lockdown, regardless of official policy, is because it completely blows apart the idea that the choice is between "reopening the economy" and "lockdown". People will autonomously, in huge numbers, refuse to engage in normal behaviour during pandemic conditions, regardless of whether you force stores and businesses to open again, and it'll still crash the economy - but you'll have even more dead people (and people left with serious, even lifelong, health conditions) in the process.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...y-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.html

I know this is the daily mail but where did this fucking ridiculous idea come from.

It blows away anything Joe public can do by not isolating, this is sending the covid19 virus directly into the last place we want it.

For me, this is manslaughter if not bordering on murder

This has been one of the issues that the government hasn't been pressed on at all, despite many experts expressing alarm about it going back to early March. It's why the Nightingale hospitals are mostly unused - patients who should have been in them were instead transferred into the care system, exacerbating the problem there.

The news here isn't that this is something newly-realised, but rather that the blame is now being directed towards hospitals, doctors, etc, rather than government policy and planning. Hancock only introduced mandatory tests for patients transferred into care homes on the 15th of April!
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...y-care-homes-despite-KNOWING-coronavirus.html
I know this is the daily mail but where did this fucking ridiculous idea come from.
It blows away anything Joe public can do by not isolating, this is sending the covid19 virus directly into the last place we want it.
For me, this is manslaughter if not bordering on murder

I'm not reading the Heil, whats the tone of their article? who's doorstep are they laying the blame at?
 
I'm not reading the Heil, whats the tone of their article? who's doorstep are they laying the blame at?

Hospitals / doctors may have broken the law in sending Covid 19 patients back into care homes
 
THat appears to be another blame the NHS story.

On the second point Wesminster Bridge and Cosham and countless other places leads me to disagree

Probably a pedantic point but I think you're talking about ignorance rather than stupidity
 
OK, I read the first line ' Hospitals may have broken the law by...' before ad blocker kicked in

From the newspaper formerly known as the Torygraph

"A Government diktat that NHS hospitals should move hundreds of elderly patients to care homes has been branded “reckless” and blamed for the homes’ soaring coronavirus death rates.

In two damning policy documents published on 19 March and 2 April, officials told NHS hospitals to transfer any patients who no longer required hospital level treatment, and set out a blueprint for care homes to accept patients with Covid-19 or who had not even been tested."
 
This has been one of the issues that the government hasn't been pressed on at all, despite many experts expressing alarm about it going back to early March. It's why the Nightingale hospitals are mostly unused - patients who should have been in them were instead transferred into the care system, exacerbating the problem there.

The news here isn't that this is something newly-realised, but rather that the blame is now being directed towards hospitals, doctors, etc, rather than government policy and planning. Hancock only introduced mandatory tests for patients transferred into care homes on the 15th of April!

Its shocking, really shocking. Our excess mortality would be much lower which one simple, obvious change. I just can't wrap my head around it, and I don't think it was a mistake given how obvious the dangers are - this feels like a conscious decision
 
Backtothe Heil article, why does it not surprise me that they're targeting Hospitals and not the government that said coronavirus patients could be “safely cared for” as long as care home staff adhered to certain procedures, but that patients who had not been tested and showed no symptoms could be cared for “as normal”.
 
I wasn't referring to the adjective, our population is considerably more stupid than the Swedes

Bloody hell Rui that's a big call. I've been to Sweden a few times and you would be surprised.
 
Its shocking, really shocking. Our excess mortality would be much lower which one simple, obvious change. I just can't wrap my head around it, and I don't think it was a mistake given how obvious the dangers are - this feels like a conscious decision

I wouldn't believe what you read in the Mail. That isn't journalism. No way should those on the frontline be brought into this. The blame for me lies in the civil service (Cygnus) and an Industry (in terms of care homes) that has put profit before lives. You've got people partying for VE Day and clapping for the NHS while the care for the aged in the UK is a national disgrace. Do not trust any politician.
 
I wouldn't believe what you read in the Mail. That isn't journalism. No way should those on the frontline be brought into this. The blame for me lies in the civil service (Cygnus) and an Industry (in terms of care homes) that has put profit before lives. You've got people partying for VE Day and clapping for the NHS while the care for the aged in the UK is a national disgrace. Do not trust any politician.
Another take on the story
"care providers on Friday accused the Government of “reckless” behaviour which had “significantly” increased the number of coronavirus deaths in care homes."
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care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus
 
If somebody has knowingly sent somebody with covid Infection or in fact something like the flu into a care home I would want to know why. They may just be following guidelines.

"A Government diktat that NHS hospitals should move hundreds of elderly patients to care homes has been branded “reckless” and blamed for the homes’ soaring coronavirus death rates.

In two damning policy documents published on 19 March and 2 April, officials told NHS hospitals to transfer any patients who no longer required hospital level treatment, and set out a blueprint for care homes to accept patients with Covid-19 or who had not even been tested.

Analysis by the Telegraph suggests that the rate of coronavirus deaths accelerated more than twice as fast in care homes than in hospitals in the week beginning 7 April - two and a half weeks after the first policy document was published. "
 
"A Government diktat that NHS hospitals should move hundreds of elderly patients to care homes has been branded “reckless” and blamed for the homes’ soaring coronavirus death rates.

In two damning policy documents published on 19 March and 2 April, officials told NHS hospitals to transfer any patients who no longer required hospital level treatment, and set out a blueprint for care homes to accept patients with Covid-19 or who had not even been tested.

Analysis by the Telegraph suggests that the rate of coronavirus deaths accelerated more than twice as fast in care homes than in hospitals in the week beginning 7 April - two and a half weeks after the first policy document was published. "

So they have put the scare and endless panic of shit into people many of whose lives will be ruined by lockdown because of avoidable care home deaths ?

Wake up people.
 
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