Coronavirus

[Parkins left foot]

2 more nightingale hospitals to be set up in Sunderland and Exeter. Are we being safe rather than sorry or will higher hospital admissions be around the corner?

Suspect that it's more that specialist seperate units are better placed look after patients diagnosed with this (& hopefully they have the staff & equipment to do so) rather than trying to place them in general hospitals where there will be patients who don't, but are in there for something else.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Restrictions here extended for another 3 weeks.

Will be reviewed then dependant on numbers and how the countries which have lifted restrictions in the meantime are getting on.

Kids exams postponed till end of July

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Is Hancock admitting that the supply of PPE to frontline workers hasn't been up to the required standard so far as he's laying out a detailed plan of how to put it right?

The effect of the below was that there was no longer a legal requirement to supply the highest grade of PPE equipment to the NHS. I've commented on this and was accused of being a conspiracy theorist, as clearly, the Government wouldn't do such a thing, but this is why there is now a complete clusterfuck with not enough of the right kit within the NHS. At the bottom is the list of deseases on the list. This has i all likelihood caused unnecessary deaths and is directly responsible for the isues that we are now scrambling to address

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

Contact HCID
Argentine haemorrhagic fever (Junin virus)
Bolivian haemorrhagic fever (Machupo virus)
Crimean Congo haemorrhagic fever (CCHF)
Ebola virus disease (EVD)
Lassa fever
Lujo virus disease
Marburg virus disease (MVD)
Severe fever with thrombocytopaenia syndrome (SFTS)

Airborne HCID
Andes virus infection (hantavirus)
Avian influenza A H7N9 and H5N1
Avian influenza A H5N6 and H7N7
Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
Monkeypox
Nipah virus infection
Pneumonic plague (Yersinia pestis)
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)*

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The de-classified it because victims of those diseases can ONLY be treated in four specialist units.

 

[Sniffer]

These journalists get worse. Do the government only allow questions from utter wankers?

With Parliament closed I wouldn't mind seeing something similar to what happened in Scotland yesterday. Leaders of the opposition parties allowed to ask a couple of questions instead of journalists.

 

[Tredman]

The de-classified it because victims of those diseases can ONLY be treated in four specialist units.

Away with your common sense.

With Parliament closed I wouldn't mind seeing something similar to what happened in Scotland yesterday. Leaders of the opposition parties allowed to ask a couple of questions instead of journalists.

Not sure that would help reduce the grandstanding though. I’d limit any question to one sentence of not more than 25 words.

 

[Pablowolf]

Even Chris Iwelumo would do a better job with the questions.

 

[SSB]

These journalists get worse. Do the government only allow questions from utter wankers?

Can’t be as bad as America where one reporter asked Trump if he will be pardoning Joe Exotic.

 

[Johnny75]

The de-classified it because victims of those diseases can ONLY be treated in four specialist units.

It's amazing that you've already put this down twice and yet people still keep going with their agendas.

 

[Sniffer]

Kenny Dalglish has tested positive. He's in hospital for something else but showing no symptoms of the virus.

 

[Alan]

If future habits are reinforced to socially distance you get a hell of a lot of people who are dispensible plus heavy restrictions which make air travel available to the privileged few - and all the Greta followers will whoop whoop until somebody tells them the golfing holiday in the Algarve is now off limits. I don't think people actually realise what is happening and the implications. Consumerism is defunct - it is maxed out. Capitalism is fucked. Somebody pointed out the cycle of Industrialisation >>>> Consumerisn then >>>

Precisely my point. We don't actually live in a capitalist society, we live in an oligarchy.

Most people in the workforce are already dispensable to our corporate overlords. Why do you think the places of business that are still open are largely the ones where people are paid horrendously low wages?

 

[Rui_CostCo]

The de-classified it because victims of those diseases can ONLY be treated in four specialist units.

I'm not saying that's wrong Paddy but 'several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)' tends to suggest that wasnt the only reason

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It was. Otherwise those four units would have been overwhelmed in a day. The semantics of the language to declassify it are a red herring. They did it so every ITU in the country could be engaged in the fight.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

It was. Otherwise those four units would have been overwhelmed in a day. The semantics of the language to declassify it are a red herring. They did it so every ITU in the country could be engaged in the fight.

I'll take what your saying on board Paddy, I know your wife would know more about that than me. But given that's true, whats been the issue with PPE? It's April 10 and Hancock's talking about starting to do things, putting processes in place, having devised a plan as if this has all come as news to him that the highest level protection was needed by NHS staff getting exposed to it

 

[SSB]

Have the government actually stated “stay local / close to home” when exercising?

I have a friend who whilst on furlough donning is the lycra and going on 100km rides each day.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We should have had more stockpiled. And now it is proving difficult to get hold of as a certain Mr Trump is leaning on 3M not to export it as he wants it all for the Americans. That doesnt help. Trouble is, a lot of PPE is one use stuff and has expiry dates so having a massive warehouse of it all going out of date as a contingency is an issue. What we lack is really the extra manufacturing capability that could have been ramped up in January as the shit started hitting the fan.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Enzo Macarenelli regularly does 10k runs. iI wouldnt advise anyone try to stop him though

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Have the government actually stated “stay local / close to home” when exercising?

I have a friend who whilst on furlough donning is the lycra and going on 100km rides each day.

Exercise is advised to last for no more than an hour. But its an advisory.

 

[Johnny75]

We should have had more stockpiled. And now it is proving difficult to get hold of as a certain Mr Trump is leaning on 3M not to export it as he wants it all for the Americans. That doesnt help. Trouble is, a lot of PPE is one use stuff and has expiry dates so having a massive warehouse of it all going out of date as a contingency is an issue. What we lack is really the extra manufacturing capability that could have been ramped up in January as the shit started hitting the fan.

Hit the nail on the head there, it's always been about manufacturing capacity. One thing this crisis might do is make sure we have manufacturing close to hand in case of emergencies.

 

[UKYankieWWFC]

Not been on much lately, but would like to thank the folks who sent wishes pertaining to my aunts death last week.

A local clinic is performing rapid antibody testing next week for the princely sum of $40.
As Is mentioned way back in the thread both my daughter and I were pretty sick in January. I had travelled to 6 states during December thru to February. We hwve booked appointments for us both to see if we have previously had c19, I'll let you know the results...