Wolves 0 - 2 Huddersfield: The Verdict.

[Paddingtonwolf]

But that's the point. Scoring is ALL that Murray brings. He doesn't do any of the other stuff. You are comparing apples and oranges. If you want someone with Murray's conversion rate AND the Jiminez work, you are looking at an absolute world class striker. Brighton have gone one way, and we have gone the other. Man City and Chelsea can afford to have the best way, which is the ultimate world class forward.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

But that's the point. Scoring is ALL that Murray brings. He doesn't do any of the other stuff. You are comparing apples and oranges. If you want someone with Murray's conversion rate AND the Jiminez work, you are looking at an absolute world class striker. Brighton have gone one way, and we have gone the other. Man City and Chelsea can afford to have the best way, which is the ultimate world class forward.

Who would you like me to compare him against then?

Deeney? https://www.premierleague.com/players/9947/Troy-Deeney/stats 18 big misses in 114 games and 30 goals with the same accurracy of shot at Raul

Vokes? 17 goals in 106 and only 9 big chances missed in that times (two more than Raul in 93 more games) https://www.premierleague.com/players/4007/Sam-Vokes/stats
Gabbiadini- 10 goals in 48 games with 5 big misses two less than Raul- https://www.premierleague.com/players/12639/Manolo-Gabbiadini/stats


Sorry I stand by the fact that Raul needs to sharpen up. I dont care who the chances fall to but they need to be taken more often. Unfortunately this season our big chances have fallen to Raul who has missed them on too many occassions. He is not the only offender but I have already damned Costa and Jota . You said my judgement of Raul was harrsh. I think its balanced. Credit for his work. Could do much better on the finishing.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Boly was shit against Everton Spurs and Huddersfield

He was great against Brighton, Palace

He was ok against Arsenal Man Utd and City- he scored v City but was at fault for the goal so thats a balance, Leicester, Burnley, Southampton, West Ham

He was poor against Watford but ok its not a stinker.

I still dont think I have been harsh on him- I said he had done what I expected and given how immense he was last year I set a low bar. 2 great games 7 ok games , 1 poor game 2 stinkers. Thats Meh.

 

[Dart wolves]

But that's the point. Scoring is ALL that Murray brings. He doesn't do any of the other stuff. You are comparing apples and oranges. If you want someone with Murray's conversion rate AND the Jiminez work, you are looking at an absolute world class striker. Brighton have gone one way, and we have gone the other. Man City and Chelsea can afford to have the best way, which is the ultimate world class forward.

"Scoring is ALL that Murray brings " !!!:icon_lol: We could do with some of that ,If Jiminez was ONLY scoring goals we would be well happy with him !!

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The point is they are different types of striker.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The point is they are different types of striker.

So give me a comparitor to show I am wrong or harsh?

I have picked 4 number nines from teams outside the big 6 at Random. Regardless of their style they are converting the big chances better than Raul. The point I tried to make was that he misses some really great chances, not half chnaces, 1-1 chances. If Doherty had been the player that missed that 1-1 against Huddersfield he would also have been given dogs abuse. Its not personal. Or Its just that because its loopy Cyber and his mashed up thinking it must be bollocks?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The big chances stat is the problem. You are not comparing all the other good shit that Raul is doing.

You stick to stats. I'll use my eyes.

 

[jlo]

For me, Raul is doing the job asked of him. If he is being asked to do the wrong job, that's another question. The other AMs are hindering his role currently with a lack of support. I wouldn't even start thinking about whether we should make his contract permanent at the end of the season yet, but I think he's a top player and with long term aspirations would be a great squad player.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

FFFS!

This is simple. Forget the name of a player

Player A has sixteen shots and 40% are on target and scores three goals. However the statisticians say that of those 16 shots 10 were classed as " big chances" and player a has missed 7 of them. You are saying thats good enough for ANY player? You set one hell of a low bar then

 

[The Bear]

There's more to being a CF than just scoring goals. If they are shy in that department then they need to be contributing in the general build up and link play, which he is, as he's scored or assisted in 7 out of the 12 goals we've scored.

If Costa and Jota had bagged a couple of goals each then this wouldn't even be a talking point, just a "would be nice if he scored more" comment.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's more to being a CF than just scoring goals. If they are shy in that department then they need to be contributing in the general build up and link play, which he is, as he's scored or assisted in 7 out of the 12 goals we've scored.

Eight really as he won one of the penalties vs Spurs.

Using one site's undefined measure of a "big chance" to slate a player is fairly pointless when we can all see with our own eyes what chances he has had (he has not missed seven sitters this season) and what he brings to the team.

While we're here though, Salah has missed eight. Get rid of him immediately Jürgen.

https://www.premierleague.com/players/5178/Mohamed-Salah/stats?co=1&se=210

 

[Jinky]

FFFS!

This is simple. Forget the name of a player

Player A has sixteen shots and 40% are on target and scores three goals. However the statisticians say that of those 16 shots 10 were classed as " big chances" and player a has missed 7 of them. You are saying thats good enough for ANY player? You set one hell of a low bar then

Raul has the same number of assists in the Premier League this season as Eden Hazard. To simply ignore everything else that he brings to the side and repeatedly bang on about missing "big chances" seems rather odd.

I think we can all agree that it would be nice if he scored a few more.

My issue with Raul is (Arsenal aside) his performances have dropped off recently. Maybe we are too over-reliant on him as we literally have no back up or competition for him (Leo may as well not be here); hopefully this will be sorted in January.

I also feel that he's being let down badly by the inside forwards. Zero assists & Zero goals from Costa & Jota is simply not good enough - and I fully expect a big signing in that position in January too.

 

[Norman Deeley]

The stat that - sadly - counts at the moment is 4 goals from the last 5 games of which two were penalties. On current form we could very easily not have another win before Xmas and it is simply undeniable that the front three who have played the majority of minutes this season have underperformed.

 

[PuntsWolf]

As always we’ve these debates, the answer is in the middle. He probably should have scored more goals but he’s been bloody unlucky too. Did well to get anything out of that header on Sunday and was 1cm away from scoring. He had a legitimate goal disallowed against Spurs

He’s played well though and has been instrumental in our success. The issue is Costa, Jota, Cav, Traore. If any two of these manage to improve their performances we will get more out of Raul.

 

[Jinky]

As always we’ve these debates, the answer is in the middle. He probably should have scored more goals but he’s been bloody unlucky too. Did well to get anything out of that header on Sunday and was 1cm away from scoring. He had a legitimate goal disallowed against Spurs

He’s played well though and has been instrumental in our success. The issue is Costa, Jota, Cav, Traore. If any two of these manage to improve their performances we will get more out of Raul.

Agreed. And Raul would no doubt have had several more assists to his name if the players in and around him could finish their dinner.

Could Raul have scored more goals? Yes.
Does that mean he's shite/the problem? No.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

FFFS!

This is simple. Forget the name of a player

Player A has sixteen shots and 40% are on target and scores three goals. However the statisticians say that of those 16 shots 10 were classed as " big chances" and player a has missed 7 of them. You are saying thats good enough for ANY player? You set one hell of a low bar then

Talking to you is like clapping with one hand.

Fuck what your "statisticians" say. I will use my eyes. And they tell me Raul is absolutely fucking fine.

 

[Premier Quality]

As always we’ve these debates, the answer is in the middle. He probably should have scored more goals but he’s been bloody unlucky too. Did well to get anything out of that header on Sunday and was 1cm away from scoring. He had a legitimate goal disallowed against Spurs

He’s played well though and has been instrumental in our success. The issue is Costa, Jota, Cav, Traore. If any two of these manage to improve their performances we will get more out of Raul.

I agree with this - Raul plays his role really well, and is an excellent creative forward with his link play and hold up play.
Having said that, whilst I agree it’s the IF’s that are the big problem, it’s not unreasonable to think that the centre forward should put away a reasonable proportion of big chances. Hopefully it will click and he’ll start doing that soon.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So far this season

Neves, Boly, Patricio, Doherty Cav Raul and Moutinho are par basically about the minimum I expect. Neves and Moutinho just.

Coady Bennett MGW Castro are above par , better than I thought

Jota Costa worse

Traore is a footballing oddball. He needs to stay upright but does make things happen

Christ on a bike rewind a bit! I dared to say that Raul had done about as I expected he would. Not shit but not all hail the almighty Raul. I dared to show the statistics that when it comes to chances our centre forward is probably not the person you want them to fall too. And the end result is another set of major overeaction calling it nonsense?

Please enjoy your Rui and Raul lovein. For me the jury is still out for reasons stated and evidenced, as between them they are 50 million plus wages of footballers and they both have areas they can improve on.

 

[Johnny75]

Christ on a bike rewind a bit! I dared to say that Raul had done about as I expected he would. Not shit but not all hail the almighty Raul. I dared to show the statistics that when it comes to chances our centre forward is probably not the person you want them to fall too. And the end result is another set of major overeaction calling it nonsense?

Please enjoy your Rui and Raul lovein. For me the jury is still out for reasons stated and evidenced, as between them they are 50 million plus wages of footballers and they both have areas they can improve on.

You think they're on C£500,000 per week each?

I'm sure your opinions on those players are valid to you, but be expected for others to call them shit if they don't agree with you. Having watched both players I think you're talking out of your arse, but then you're entitled to your opinion. I just wish you'd stop blathering on about the same fucking thing day after day, it's tedious.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Talking to you is like clapping with one hand.

Fuck what your "statisticians" say. I will use my eyes. And they tell me Raul is absolutely fucking fine.

Just for you.

We decide to make Rui Patricio our penalty taker ( big chance)

He takes 10 and scores 3.

Do you keep him as your penalty taker or do you keep him at what his job is, goalkeeper?

Kevin Doyle- a subject of much debate on here. Great work ethic (like Raul) great hold up play (like Raul) didnt score enough ( like Raul)missed the same number of big misses in 164 games as Raul has in 13. https://www.premierleague.com/players/3205/Kevin-Doyle/stats

Should have gone to specsavers :icon_lol: