Wolves 0 - 2 Huddersfield: The Verdict.

[Premier Quality]

See that's not right either. Look at how Bennett changed minds last season (and to an extent this, although I still think he's on borrowed time). Ditto Coady, most people would have happily let him go for <£500k 18 months ago. If Traore puts in the performances then he will get praise. He does not look very good and so he doesn't, unless you want to clutch at straws and say "that was a good three seconds of play, makes up for all the times it bounced off him like a squash ball and we lost possession".

Agreed, and I was one of those who would have happily shipped Coady out - he’s completely changed himself around since his positional change.

I'm not keen on this narrative that keeps springing up (and it's not just you), "you're only having a go at X because you don't like him/you think it proves you were right all along", get out of town with that crap.

I get why you wouldn’t be keen on that narrative - but why do you think it persists? It genuinely feels like there is a huge agenda (not just you) constantly calling out the negatives, whilst refusing to acknowledge any positives whatsoever. He’s clearly nowhere near the finished article, but seeing nothing good in him at all is just daft.

 

[Lord Knows]

Again I'm left slightly bewildered at opinions of Adama's performance when he was the only player who created anything at all (bar one good chance for Jota around the 87th).

Indeed, MGW and Traore were both comfortably our best players on the day. Not a high bar, mind.

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I thought the half time substitutions were strange because they wouldn't improve the key dynamic which was missing during the first half. The ability to receive the ball forward of the midfield from Neves and Moutinho. Then pass to other players looking to link in the opponents half.
I thought it was important we turned Billing and Mooy and played on the front foot through midfield.

 

[b3h]

I don't see the issue with dissing Traore for the last game... Thought he was pretty poor. Bad first touch and stood around waiting for the ball/in offside positions most the game. Went on a few mad runs but ran into trouble.

When he signed I thought he deserved a chance and so far I don't think he's done a fat lot to show that's he anything other than a speedster with no football brain.

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[Parkins left foot]

That's true, but that could be done from joined to the wall surely? 2 yards won't make a difference.

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Ultimately Rui got a hand too it & a small of movement of his starting position would have put that clear of the post - doubt that Costa's position significantly affected that whatever reason he was standing out there for (was clearly intended & presumably worked on to counter certain situations)

 

[Norman Deeley]

I don't really need the psychoanalysis at 9.30 on a Tuesday morning but the same applies with any player as far as I'm concerned - if they play well I say so, if they're crap I say so. There are games where I've said Traore has played well. It's not my fault that there aren't many of them.

Costa has had some very good performances this season, Traore has had about three decent sub appearances. Costa is a good footballer, Traore is not.

If Costa plays poorly I say so but he has enough credit in the bank over two years for me to think that he'll turn it around. I'm afraid I can't rosetint my view on Adama Traore because he now wears an undersized Wolves shirt. I don't think he's very good. There's no hate there, it's just my judgement. And he is ridiculously bad at times, that's twice already this season where he's come on as sub and could have had no complaints if he'd been dragged back off after 20 minutes.

I haven't seen much (if any) improvement in him either, nothing has changed.

Costa doesn't have any credit from the past two seasons as they were in the Championship. He's now being judged as a Premier Lg player and he's well short of the mark so far this season

 

[Pablowolf]

Costa doesn't have any credit from the past two seasons as they were in the Championship. He's now being judged as a Premier Lg player and he's well short of the mark so far this season

So by that daft rationale, Nuno has no credit as he's now a Premiership Manager. Please turn in your opinion rights card on the way out.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I’m fed up of the Adama debate. Same every fucking week! Use your eyes!!!

Costa has not been having a good season, but he looks like a footballer (can control the ball, dribble, stand in the right place, move, think). Now he hasn’t been making anything happen but he looks like a footballer, just hasn’t got the required skill/confidence at the moment to score/ assist. Cav has barely played and has actually been quite productive for Saturday he just gave the ball away repeatedly (at least he controlled it though). Now Adama looked worse than a pub player for most his time on the pitch. But due to his superior running and dribbling ability he makes something happen occasionally (yes that is more than Costa and Cav did, but it’s a low bar). But as DW says, it’s hard to ignore that for the rest of the game he “had the touch of a housebrick”, stood still doing fuck all, falling over from the defenders breath and running into people and falling over trying to dribble.

I really don’t understand him. I don’t get how you can have the footballing education he has had and be playing football in the championship and PL but have such a lack of basics of the game and look so bad at times as if he’s never played before. But then due to his unique skill set do something threatening in fits and starts. You find someone over the park on a Sunday, their footballing brain is top notch but they’ve just been let down genetically by height, strength, pace etc. and just don’t have the natural talent to be a pro or have been let down by injuries. Adama is the total opposite of this.

 

[east-coast-wolves]

I'd say Costa has looked our most dangerous forward player so far this season too tbh. He's been inconsistent and lacked output but most threatening.

 

[Norman Deeley]

So by that daft rationale, Nuno has no credit as he's now a Premiership Manager. Please turn in your opinion rights card on the way out.

No, that's a perfectly valid statement. You cannot give huge amounts of credit for performing against weaker opposition. We are not giving Traore any credit for being good in the Championship, so why is Helder Costa entitled to it simply because he played for us?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So far this season

Neves, Boly, Patricio, Doherty Cav Raul and Moutinho are par basically about the minimum I expect. Neves and Moutinho just.

Coady Bennett MGW Castro are above par , better than I thought

Jota Costa worse

Traore is a footballing oddball. He needs to stay upright but does make things happen

 

[b3h]

The opposite thing is a good way to look at it PW. Think that's a good post

 

[Tredman]

I'd say Costa has looked our most dangerous forward player so far this season too tbh. He's been inconsistent and lacked output but most threatening.

I mean I like costa a lot, but that is bonkers. Cav has looked way more dangerous and he has hardly played. If we are criticising traore for running into deadends we have to criticise costa too, literally everyone of his attacks, apart from Utd, has been pointless.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So far this season

Neves, Boly, Patricio, Doherty Cav Raul and Moutinho are par basically about the minimum I expect. Neves and Moutinho just.

Coady Bennett MGW Castro are above par , better than I thought

Jota Costa worse

Traore is a footballing oddball. He needs to stay upright but does make things happen

Harsh on Boly and Patricio, and also Raul.

 

[YoungWolf]

And Joao - unless Cyber had very high expectations

 

[Deleted Cyber]

And Joao - unless Cyber had very high expectations

3rd highest portuguese caps and only 32. Dead ball kicks have been awful- Douglas was better than Joao with dead balls on the evidence so far
Patricio- Excellent saves, worse than Ruddy on box command though and awful kicking an upgrade, yes but I am not into worship status yet.
Boly- three or 4 stinkers in first 13 games- Boly is better than that.
Raul- Has the worst conversion rate in the entire league for big chances- see the 1-1 v Huddersfield. Regardless of the rest of the great work he must score when given the chance. He has 7 big misses in 13 games!!!! https://www.premierleague.com/players/11071/Raúl-Jiménez/stats

Jota and Costa- well nuff said. Jota has however had a kick up the arse so I hope to see him back firing soon.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Judging Raul on that one statistic when he has been involved in over 50% of the goals we have scored is bullshit.

 

[Tredman]

Boly was bad in the last game, that's it, there are no other 'stinkers'

Edit - missed out the crucial 'no'

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Boly was a little off the boil against Everton, maybe? Apart from that I can't think of any.

If you want to judge Raul by the statistic above it is completely unfair actually. If you want a huge chance conversion rate along with all the other stuff that Raul brings you are looking at an £80m striker. To judge a £30m value player against the metrics of a player worth more than double that is always going to paint them in a poor light.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

There's no way on earth Jimenez is even a £30m player, half that maybe. Unless he scored in every game from now to the end of the season you'd be mad to pay that agreed figure for him.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Boly was a little off the boil against Everton, maybe? Apart from that I can't think of any.

If you want to judge Raul by the statistic above it is completely unfair actually. If you want a huge chance conversion rate along with all the other stuff that Raul brings you are looking at an £80m striker. To judge a £30m value player against the metrics of a player worth more than double that is always going to paint them in a poor light.

I am not judging him that way at all. He has had 16 shots at goal including a penalty and missed what the stats consider big chances on 7 occassions. I dont care who gets the big chances you should score them.

Glenn Murray has now playyed 100 premier games for non top 6 sides. He has missed 22 big chances and scored 30 goals in those 100 games. Granted his game is different. But his shooting accuraccy is similar. When he gets the chances he scores more than misses. Whe n Raul gets the chance he misses more than scores. https://www.premierleague.com/players/4772/Glenn-Murray/stats