The Transfer Thread 2024/25 - Everything Not Wolves

[PuntsWolf]

They’re owed one from their last season on the Premier League

Avoid 2 like Everton got. Leicester would definitely be down with a double hit.

 

[Tony Towner]

They can't get a double hit, it's EFL regs they broke last year. They'd be better off selling him next month from a PL perspective (assuming they have a June 30 accounting deadline)

 

[1986]

Maresca will be lucky to see past October if Dewsbury-Hall is the calibre of player he's after. I wouldn't have him here. Bang average.

Couldn't agree more , a championship player at best .

Poor first touch and quite slow as well .

 

[Tony Towner]

...and another one

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806637730400530528

 

[Johnny75]

I think we'll see more of these swap deals.

1) It helps with these PSR rules
2) It helps move players that really want to move
3) It's better financially for clubs
4) Should help clubs at all levels

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm a bit thick, why are swaps better than cold-hard cash for PSR?

 

[BillyDee]

Are they straight swaps, or are they parallel transfers with the same amount of money paid for both, to bump PSR?

 

[Tony Towner]

Are they straight swaps, or are they parallel transfers with the same amount of money paid for both, to bump PSR?

The latter. Or some are money + player

I'm a bit thick, why are swaps better than cold-hard cash for PSR?

Because you can overvalue the player and get relief for it over the length of the contract. Sell a player for £20m and it's £20m straight into this years PSR. The player you sign for £20m on a 4 year contract is amortised across that period so you are booking £5m this year. The swap therefore gets you £15m for this season.

At some point the PL will do something about it, but it's a benefit for this year's early adopters

 

[Johnny75]

Are they straight swaps, or are they parallel transfers with the same amount of money paid for both, to bump PSR?

Parallel transfers

 

[Jack Regan]

At some point the PL will do something about it, but it's a benefit for this year's early adopters

They've written to all Premier League clubs today about it.

Premier League writes to clubs over transfer rules before PSR accounting deadline

The Premier League has written to all 20 clubs to remind them of the rules over transfers following a number of deals that have been negotiated ahead of the June 30 accounting deadline. Clubs have until the end of this month to balance their books or risk being subject to sanctions related to...

www.nytimes.com

 

[BillyDee]

A free to read article:

Premier League writes to clubs over 'swap deal' concerns

The Premier League writes to its clubs to clarify rules regarding the fair valuation of players involved in 'swap deals'

www.bbc.co.uk

Will have to return some money if deemed excessive.

 

[The Bear]

Good luck with suggesting "we'll judge the fair value of transfers".

Absolute nonsense. There's a long history of PL teams paying over the odds for players. It wouldn't get through any court procedings from clubs.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, it's a minefield. Even the most notorious iffy "swap" in recent memory of Arthur and Miralem Pjanic between Barcelona and Juventus (both players given a value about £30m over what anyone would realistically pay) couldn't be prosecuted.

We know it's dodgy but how do you prove it.

 

[The Bear]

I guess they could exclude home-grown U21 players from PSR calculations.

 

[The Bear]

I guess they could exclude home-grown U21 players from PSR calculations.

Thinking about it more they could add the caveat that this only counts for players who've made less than 20 first team appearances.

That could have the knock on effect of teams keeping their home grown players longer or to play them more in the cups/leagues which would help with their development.

But then again I'm only spitballing, and I may not have thought it through.

 

[AndyWolves]

The latter. Or some are money + player

Because you can overvalue the player and get relief for it over the length of the contract. Sell a player for £20m and it's £20m straight into this years PSR. The player you sign for £20m on a 4 year contract is amortised across that period so you are booking £5m this year. The swap therefore gets you £15m for this season.

At some point the PL will do something about it, but it's a benefit for this year's early adopters

Thank you. It's hard to see how this can be stopped beyond an tribunal deciding appropriate values for players.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yeah, it's a minefield. Even the most notorious iffy "swap" in recent memory of Arthur and Miralem Pjanic between Barcelona and Juventus (both players given a value about £30m over what anyone would realistically pay) couldn't be prosecuted.

We know it's dodgy but how do you prove it.

Juventus got a transfer ban from that didnt they?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

it's easy. You ban amortisation in a swap deal. Kills it instantly.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Juventus got a transfer ban from that didnt they?

Nope

Was for false accounting on a wider scale but they couldn't specifically prosecute that one

 

[AndyWolves]

it's easy. You ban amortisation in a swap deal. Kills it instantly.

Would ensuring that the players value is the same on the outgoing clubs books as it will be on the incoming clubs books stop it?

They can then amortise that value over the duration of the contract.

I guess though the selling club could create an unrealistic value on their books, but that would at least need to pass an external audit of the clubs accounts.