Summer 2021 transfer window

[Wilf Wolf]

Also agree with Templeton in that I would be letting MGW go in the summer. Doesn't fit our system, questionable attitude and done nothing of note when given the opportunity. The only issue with this is, I don't think we'll get anywhere near the fee we are paying out for Vitinha for MGW.

There's a good reason for that. Take away MGW's Youth World Cup appearance and a short cameo at the Emirates over 2 years ago and he becomes just another promising youngster that will make a good living from the game but here's nothing to suggest to will be for a team in the top half of the PL. I'd love him to prove me wrong before the end of the season but it seems increasingly unlikely. In contrast in his short time on the pitch Vitinha looks to have an alertness and composure beyond his years.

 

[Tony Towner]

I don't understand the logic of people wanting to sign Vitinha for £18m when we haven’t seen what he's capable of other than in fleeting appearances, but are happy to bin off MGW when we've not seen what he's capable of in his best position which now exists in what is believed to be Nuno's preferred formation for the future. Feels like confirmation bias to me, MGW is a whole 2 weeks older

 

[Templeton Peck]

We aren't just stuck with a choice between 18/19 year olds or 29/30 year olds though, are we?

No but I think we're trying to go for the cream of the crop which is a smart move for where we are as a club. We're not going to keep doing it either - hopefully the plan is for these players to develop and take a spot in the first team when they're ready.

If we're moving to 4231 I don't think the squad needs a lot of surgery - quality CB is the main thing by far.

 

[AndyWolves]

We bought Semedo who is 26/27 so it's not like we won't spend the cash on oven ready players. Whether you think he's any good or not is a different matter.
I'd imagine the reason we're after players who are 18/19/20 is because by the time they're 22/23/24 they'll be out of our price range or we'll be unable to compete with bigger clubs who want them.
This is a strategy which the club will hope to pay dividends in the long-term.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Completely agree with your comments re; Jose. I find myself continually chuckling at the goalposts being moved on here, when it comes to the terms of a debate. Like I said yesterday, it seems like forever and a day that we have been getting told it's "extremely difficult" to sign a back up striker - and excuses have been made for us not doing so, window after window. We finally get one in who looks half decent, and he's written off by those same people after literally 3/4 games! I mean - those people are entitled to their opinions. I just hope they can appreciate the irony of it.

I think you're very much overrating how he's looked so far. He looks serviceable at best. He doesn't attack crosses properly (how many have we put in over the Palace/Arsenal/Leicester games, how many has he even challenged for), he is if we're being generous at the very ceiling of his ability (he isn't going to improve much from here given he's 30 this year), he is very expensive for what he looks like so far - would you really pay £22m for that? Knowing that you are more or less guaranteed to get next to nothing back for him as and when he leaves.

It is difficult to sign a back up striker. You end up with players who aren't good enough. Hence I've not even been asking for us to be signing one. He's much more likely to be our Vincent Janssen than actually worth the money.

It's fine as a short term loan signing because of the bind we found ourselves in. But I wouldn't take it any further than that.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Has MGW ever had a motm performance in the premier league? He has not kicked on at all hence why he was loaned out. Phil Fodens progress shows what steps we wanted to see from MGW as they were mentioned in the same breath by many, even suggested a full cap for MGW a couple of years ago. Vitinha hasn’t done a lot either but in a shorter time, a bit like going nowhere fast. Personally both need to do more to justify retention next season.

 

[The Bear]

I think you're very much overrating how he's looked so far. He looks serviceable at best. He doesn't attack crosses properly (how many have we put in over the Palace/Arsenal/Leicester games, how many has he even challenged for), he is if we're being generous at the very ceiling of his ability (he isn't going to improve much from here given he's 30 this year), he is very expensive for what he looks like so far - would you really pay £22m for that? Knowing that you are more or less guaranteed to get next to nothing back for him as and when he leaves.

It is difficult to sign a back up striker. You end up with players who aren't good enough. Hence I've not even been asking for us to be signing one. He's much more likely to be our Vincent Janssen than actually worth the money.

It's fine as a short term loan signing because of the bind we found ourselves in. But I wouldn't take it any further than that.

You're writing him off far too early. Even Nuno has said he still needs to develop his understanding with his new team mates.

 

[Del Woppio]

I don't understand the logic of people wanting to sign Vitinha for £18m when we haven’t seen what he's capable of other than in fleeting appearances, but are happy to bin off MGW when we've not seen what he's capable of in his best position which now exists in what is believed to be Nuno's preferred formation for the future. Feels like confirmation bias to me, MGW is a whole 2 weeks older

MGW has had around ten times the minutes in a Wolves shirt for people to make their minds up about where his ceiling is tbf

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You're writing him off far too early. Even Nuno has said he still needs to develop his understanding with his new team mates.

I'm not writing him off. I said based on what I've seen so far and given his age I wouldn't pay £22m for him. Controversial stuff.

Attacking a cross is something you either will or won't do, it seems he won't.

 

[Templeton Peck]

MGW has had around ten times the minutes in a Wolves shirt for people to make their minds up about where his ceiling is tbf

He's got worse too. Dunno why but he has.

 

[Carrotdude]

Fabio is much better at moving in the box to attack crosses imo, he just doesn’t have the physicality to make the most of it yet

 

[AndyWolves]

Has MGW ever had a motm performance in the premier league? He has not kicked on at all hence why he was loaned out. Phil Fodens progress shows what steps we wanted to see from MGW as they were mentioned in the same breath by many, even suggested a full cap for MGW a couple of years ago. Vitinha hasn’t done a lot either but in a shorter time, a bit like going nowhere fast. Personally both need to do more to justify retention next season.

I think it's harsh to compare MGW to Foden, Foden has been described as one the best talents Pep has ever seen. He's probably the best at that age bracket.

I see what you're saying about MGW not developing though. A full season at Swansea would have done him the world of good

 

[Templeton Peck]

Fabio is much better at moving in the box to attack crosses imo, he just doesn’t have the physicality to make the most of it yet

I like his movement a lot. Totally alive to what Neves was doing the other day.

 

[prawnking]

We bought Semedo who is 26/27 so it's not like we won't spend the cash on oven ready players.

I'm not sure what choice we had but to sign a senior player as we had no-one to play on the right when Doc left and we'd already signed a kid in Hoever.

I think signing a player and expecting to wait 4 years for them to be strong first XI contenders is something we should be doing sparingly IMO.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Raul didn’t have the greatest first 7 or 8 games. Scuff shots, missed headers until he shinned one under the keeper and found his mojo. It’s far too early to write WJ off for me. Watch him score a thunderbastard now!

 

[Nando]

Has MGW ever had a motm performance in the premier league? He has not kicked on at all hence why he was loaned out. Phil Fodens progress shows what steps we wanted to see from MGW as they were mentioned in the same breath by many, even suggested a full cap for MGW a couple of years ago. Vitinha hasn’t done a lot either but in a shorter time, a bit like going nowhere fast. Personally both need to do more to justify retention next season.

Foden was regarded as one of the best talents on the planet at that time - barely anybody knew about MGW. He's being coached by the best on the planet and has been learning from some of the best midfielders of a generation.

Just because Morgan played alongside him does not equate to him being as good, or potentially as good. That logic is severely flawed and sets him up to fail which is completely unfair. Foden is very much the outlier of that U17 squad in terms of kicking on, perhaps bar Hudson-Odoi . That squad is littered with players who've dropped off a cliff or who are still finding their feet which is no surprise given they're 19/20/21.

Morgan showed what he was about in that spell around Christmas 18/19 and he's been riddled with injuries since which have hampered his progress. Ultimately he probably would have been best placed staying at Swansea for the season, but circumstances outside of his control have clearly changed that.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

MGW has had around ten times the minutes in a Wolves shirt for people to make their minds up about where his ceiling is tbf

It's true, but equally he's 21 and has started 10 league games for us ever.

I saw people slagging him off on Sunday. He came on in the 88th minute! It's all quite strange.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Raul didn’t have the greatest first 7 or 8 games. Scuff shots, missed headers until he shinned one under the keeper and found his mojo. It’s far too early to write WJ off for me. Watch him score a thunderbastard now!

You were having a go at Raul at the time but pretty much no-one else was?

They're not even in the same ballpark. It's like comparing Steve Bull and Paul McLoughlin.

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm not sure what choice we had but to sign a senior player as we had no-one to play on the right when Doc left and we'd already signed a kid in Hoever.

I think signing a player and expecting to wait 4 years for them to be strong first XI contenders is something we should be doing sparingly IMO.

Yes, you've said once or twice.

 

[Del Woppio]

Jose's job for us is basically to be a fit, fully grown adult striker for four months, and that's about it. Allow us to back to plan A with Fabio, which is cameos and occasional starts. He's not worth £20m as an individual, or to us in short or mid term. Hopefully he'll grab a couple of goals once he remembers where the penalty box is.

He's got a decent touch, but people who were expecting him to rock up and have us be automatically back to our best were being daft. He's a short term answer to a short term problem, because we didn't replace Jota and Raul is injured - both of which should be fixed in the Summer.