Summer 2021 transfer window

[Trips]

Smith Rowe and Hudson-Odoi are only now getting their first runs in the team, the first because Arteta got forced into it and the latter because of a change in manager.

Even before Tuchel, Hudson-Odoi has more first XI starts than MGW.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

That isn't anything to do with my reply though, I just meant you said that he doesn't attack crosses - whether we should sign him or not I think that isn't true at all

Yeah, I'm just saying I don't want us to sign someone because he nearly scored a couple of times.

I'm not even saying he's looked rubbish, he hasn't. Equally given that there's no long term value in him and the price (which we already know), I don't think it's an option worth taking up. Unless something dramatic changes, which I think is less than likely. It's not a very Wolves signing.

We had to do something, we did, it is helping us out but it's like if tiles starting falling off my roof. I could do with a cherry picker to get up there and sort it the fuck out before the whole thing collapses. However I wouldn't then spend £40k to have one sitting on my drive forever just in case.

 

[Tredman]

5 min cameos might count as appearances, but they mean fuck all.

Del hit the nail on the head with regards to MGW further up.

 

[The Bear]

We only have 15 league games left. So he's nearly a quarter of the way through his loan spell already.

What if he has 0 or 1 goals at the end of the season but still looks a generally ok footballer?

The point is, you decide after all that, not before.

 

[prawnking]

Question - if Fabio Silva had 5/6 goals to his name would you still have the same view?

My view isn't about the merits or otherwise of one individual, it's that having most of your signings falling under the 'delayed gratification' category is a risky strategy that maybe overestimates how solid our PL foundations are.

Also, these aren't £1m signings for the U-23s, if we're thinking they're future stars then you'd hope at least one of them would be knocking on the door for a decent run by now, especially in a team where the senior players have been struggling.

 

[The Bear]

Neto counts as one we signed for the future.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Smith Rowe 11 appearances to date for Arsenal in the premier league
Phil Foden 58 premier league appearances
Hudson Odoi 48 premier league appearances
Jayden Sancho 99 appearances bundesliga
Gibbs White 56 appearances in the same period including 36 premier league.

He has more than had a chance to kick on. Now it may be that he doesn’t suit our style and that’s fair enough but that is my reason for thinking he needs to pull his finger out and start pulling some strings when given the chance as he is running out of time to justify his squad place for me

nothing to do with his insta feed, bling or Colour.

 

[Trips]

Smith Rowe 11 appearances to date for Arsenal in the premier league
Phil Foden 58 premier league appearances
Hudson Odoi 48 premier league appearances
Jayden Sancho 99 appearances bundesliga
Gibbs White 56 appearances in the same period including 36 premier league.

He has more than had a chance to kick on. Now it may be that he doesn’t suit our style and that’s fair enough but that is my reason for thinking he needs to pull his finger out and start pulling some strings when given the chance as he is running out of time to justify his squad place for me

nothing to do with his insta feed, bling or Colour.

Your original point was about First 11 appearances, now you're including 2 minute cameos when your point got challenged and proven wrong. Goalpost moving a poster further up the thread called it I believe.

 

[Trips]

Premier League Starts

MGW - 7
Foden - 23
Hudson-Odoi - 17
Smith-Rowe - 10
Sancho - 76 (Bundesliga)

He hasnt 'more than had a chance' to kick on has he?

The others are also playing in more established, successful sides who will have more of the ball, giving them a better opportunity to shine

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Premier League Starts

MGW - 7
Foden - 23
Hudson-Odoi - 17
Smith-Rowe - 10
Sancho - 76 (Bundesliga)

He hasnt 'more than had a chance' to kick on has he?

The others are also playing in more established, successful sides who will have more of the ball, giving them a better opportunity to shine

Add in Brewster (7) and Gallagher (16) for PL starts. Both played far more in the Football League too.

 

[sycophantia]

Premier League Starts

MGW - 7
Foden - 23
Hudson-Odoi - 17
Smith-Rowe - 10
Sancho - 76 (Bundesliga)

He hasnt 'more than had a chance' to kick on has he?

The others are also playing in more established, successful sides who will have more of the ball, giving them a better opportunity to shine

been banging on about this for ages, the kid hasn't had any consistent starts, ffs stick him in his best position and start him for the next 3 in 4 games, then judge him. Alternatively send him back to Swansea and sell him at the end of the season.

 

[redvictor]

We only have 15 league games left. So he's nearly a quarter of the way through his loan spell already.

What if he has 0 or 1 goals at the end of the season but still looks a generally ok footballer?

It's a good question. I would guess assess him at the end of the season after he's had enough games to show what he has. Then either say "thanks but no thanks", or sign him up IF he want's to be Raul's back up.
Assessing him based on a couple of games is silly really. You have to factor in a new country, winter weather, living in a hotel, new team mates and team process's etc surely..

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Your original point was about First 11 appearances, now you're including 2 minute cameos when your point got challenged and proven wrong. Goalpost moving a poster further up the thread called it I believe.

Was it fuck. I forgot you myopic lot don’t count substitute appearances as minutes that a player could and should affect a game. Silly me, must try harder to agree with your nonsense and constant defence of mediocrity. he has been played in midfield each time. Occasionally as a sub as wing back . Not centre half , not centre forward and not in goal. He has to shine in the time remaining this season or he needs to go. ,

if you add cup games he has had over 100 appearances in a wolves shirt and yet according to several of you that’s not enough time , or he is played out of position or some other bleat. He could just not be good enough you know.


Perhaps give him a run as the 10 and see? That way when he succeeds it shows where he needed to play and when he fails it proves us negative naysayers might have been closer to the truth than given credit for. Again. Time will tell

 

[YoungWolf]

His career minutes amount to just under 30 games. He needs to play. The Swansea loan was ideal but he got injured. I'm of the opinion at the moment that we should have left him there anyway but would be nice for him to get some games with us now

 

[Trips]

Was it fuck. I forgot you myopic lot don’t count substitute appearances as minutes that a player could and should affect a game. Silly me, must try harder to agree with your nonsense and constant defence of mediocrity. he has been played in midfield each time. Occasionally as a sub as wing back . Not centre half , not centre forward and not in goal. He has to shine in the time remaining this season or he needs to go. ,

if you add cup games he has had over 100 appearances in a wolves shirt and yet according to several of you that’s not enough time , or he is played out of position or some other bleat. He could just not be good enough you know.


Perhaps give him a run as the 10 and see? That way when he succeeds it shows where he needed to play and when he fails it proves us negative naysayers might have been closer to the truth than given credit for. Again. Time will tell

First of all calm it down pal, no need for the aggression.

You did put 'first 11' appearances. That means starts to most people. Coming on for 5 or 10 mins at the end of a game is not giving him a chance to affect games and give him a chance. If he should be making an impact in a matter of minutes at the end of a game, that's a very high bar you're setting.

He has started 7 PL games across 3 seasons for me that isnt enough to say he has had his chance.

He also hasn't made over 100 Wolves appearances, regardless of including sub appearances

 

[Deleted Cyber]

He has had 547 on field minutes this season Some with Swansea, 713 minutes on field last season in all competitions and 998 the season before. He has two goals and two assists in that time . 2048 minutes should be enough don’t ya think? It’s better than the four games WJ has been judged on by some.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

First of all calm it down pal, no need for the aggression.

You did put 'first 11' appearances. That means starts to most people. Coming on for 5 or 10 mins at the end of a game is not giving him a chance to affect games and give him a chance. If he should be making an impact in a matter of minutes at the end of a game, that's a very high bar you're setting.

He has started 7 PL games across 3 seasons for me that isnt enough to say he has had his chance.

He also hasn't made over 100 Wolves appearances, regardless of including sub appearances

You’re right it’s 84.My mistake. Foden is over 100 I think. Not a lot of difference though. You confuse aggression with defending a point. I cannot get my head around posters who back MGW yet write off WJ after so few games. It’s illogical.

 

[Trips]

He has had 547 on field minutes this season Some with Swansea, 713 minutes on field last season in all competitions and 998 the season before. He has two goals and two assists in that time . 2048 minutes should be enough don’t ya think? It’s better than the four games WJ has been judged on by some.

Just going off your 713 minutes for last season (I'll assume its correct, cant be bothered to check) that equates to less than 8 full games. I would imagine a lot of those are sub appearances where he generally will have less than 20 minutes to make an impact.

He needs a run of starting games to see what he can do, like what he had at the start of the season at Swansea before his injury and he impressed. 10-20 minute (often less) substitute appearances isnt an opportunity, and is harsh to be writing him off

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Just going off your 713 minutes for last season (I'll assume its correct, cant be bothered to check) that equates to less than 8 full games. I would imagine a lot of those are sub appearances where he generally will have less than 20 minutes to make an impact.

He needs a run of starting games to see what he can do, like what he had at the start of the season at Swansea before his injury and he impressed. 10-20 minute (often less) substitute appearances isnt an opportunity, and is harsh to be writing him off

8 full games and it’s not fair to judge him yet it’s ok to judge WJ after 4. Ok noted!

I have no issues with MGW getting a run as a 10. I just haven’t seen anything to suggest he has enough about him to do it .

 

[AndyWolves]

You’re right it’s 84.My mistake. Foden is over 100 I think. Not a lot of difference though. You confuse aggression with defending a point. I cannot get my head around posters who back MGW yet write off WJ after so few games. It’s illogical.

I don't think anyone has written WJ off? They've said some things about his game which aren't brilliant.

MGW is just starting his career, WJ should be at his absolute peak.