Summer 2021 transfer window

[Carsy]

Every faith if we keep traore he’ll score 10+ this season if he carries on playing how he is and we continue playing how we are. Selling him unless the fee is ridiculous would be madness IMO.

a front three of adama, raul(if he gets back to what he was) and Neto (same applied) would be pretty darn good

 

[Wolvensam]

Is Ocampos injured because he isn't in Seville's squad tonight?

He didn’t play in their previous game I don’t think.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'd usually agree....
But for every comment I see bashing Traore's end product, I also see the likes of 'Neto would have scored that' etc.

In their last 2 seasons at Wolves.

Neto - 8 goals 9 assists.
Traore - 6 goals 11 assists.
Jota - 16 goals 6 assists.

I don't know where those comments come from to be honest, I can't say as I ever recall Neto having a chance similar to those Traore has had in the last two games in order to base any such assertion.

Overall numbers for combined goal involvements look a fair bit closer between the three of them than goals scored alone. Few hatricks for Jota swinging the balance in his favour, perhaps an anomaly by their very nature or just the benefit of him playing as an out and out forward more than the other two allowing to be in goal scoring positions more often.

Jota would probably have got into similar positions to Traore recently, he was good at running off the shoulder into space for the early ball in behind, but I seem to recall him botching a few one on ones too. He was a much more effective finisher when he took things early on instinct but sometimes struggled to compose himself when he had more time to think about it.

The encouraging thing for me with Traore so far this season is that he's actually getting in those positions to have those chances. It's something new to his game running in behind like that and prior to having that in his game he must have had one of the lowest xG figures of any attacking player in the league. Now he's shown he can make those runs effectively and get into such good goal scoring opportunities then the natural progression is to work on his composure and ability to stick the ball away when in that position. Hopefully he'll keep getting in to those positions now and by Christmas I'd like to see him starting to put some of them away with conviction if so.

 

[Lycan]

Neto had the open goal Vs Espanyol & the 1v1 Vs Bournemouth. Missed them both.

 

[redvictor]

Neto had the open goal Vs Espanyol & the 1v1 Vs Bournemouth. Missed them both.

Literally did all the hard work rounding the keeper, then missed a goal with absolutely no one in the way. Way worse the Adama's 3 missed efforts..

 

[PuntsWolf]

Neto had the open goal Vs Espanyol & the 1v1 Vs Bournemouth. Missed them both.

Missed in the last minute against ?Villa as well I think when someone was queuing up for a tap in

 

[YoungWolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429904621254873092

Samuels going to Aberdeen it seems

 

[WolfMan]

How else would you expect to be able to compete, without endless investment like Man City?

We (Leicester) haven't done too badly following the same model.

The problem that I see, is that recent recruitment hasn't been good enough recently, and that these 'resalable assets' like Neves/Traore, have been there for 2-3 years now, without the list of assets being added too.
Podence/Cutrone/Semedo/Dendoncker haven't been added to that list, for example, and wouldn't be worth more than they were signed for.

Why was Jota sold so cheap?
Contract issues or a release clause?

Yes I agree with this. To there even be a chance of this model being successful, your recruitment has got to be absolutely world class, the last time I checked we were in for Kieffer Moore.

The other thing is the assumption there will just be be a "next Neves". There aren't many players like him in a generation. The chance of the next one being a. affordable under our new buy to sell policy and b. Wanting to come to a mid table premier League team with zero ambition is rather fanciful IMO. It's just not sustainable.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I don’t believe buy to sell or indeed sell to buy

 

[WolfMan]

I don’t believe buy to sell

Neither did I a month ago but the evidence so far seems to suggest that's the case. And I was specifically talking in the context of Spiers tweet.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I’m not convinced Spiers knows shit

 

[Lichens]

I'd usually agree....
But for every comment I see bashing Traore's end product, I also see the likes of 'Neto would have scored that' etc.

In their last 2 seasons at Wolves.

Neto - 8 goals 9 assists.
Traore - 6 goals 11 assists.
Jota - 16 goals 6 assists.

Adama played nearly 2000 more minutes than Neto in those two seasons and is 4 years older

 

[leon0286]

Yes I agree with this. To there even be a chance of this model being successful, your recruitment has got to be absolutely world class, the last time I checked we were in for Kieffer Moore.

The other thing is the assumption there will just be be a "next Neves". There aren't many players like him in a generation. The chance of the next one being a. affordable under our new buy to sell policy and b. Wanting to come to a mid table premier League team with zero ambition is rather fanciful IMO. It's just not sustainable.

Sure there are.
He's a good, top half, PL midfielder....He's not one of the greats of his generation.

Tonight there was Rice+Soucek and Ndidi+Tielemans on the pitch for the sides which finished 5th and 6th last season.
They seemed to find players of the same ability, if not arguably better, than Neves, without much bother.

 

[Jabbawolf]

Sure there are.
He's a good, top half, PL midfielder....He's not one of the greats of his generation.

Tonight there was Rice+Soucek and Ndidi+Tielemans on the pitch for the sides which finished 5th and 6th last season.
They seemed to find players of the same ability, if not arguably better, than Neves, without much bother.

Whilst I agree with the point on Neves, you have spent a number of posts telling Wolves fans that they don’t know jack about their players, past and present, and it does grate a tad.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Whilst I agree with the point on Neves, you have spent a number of posts telling Wolves fans that they don’t know jack about their players, past and present, and it does grate a tad.

I don't think he's said anything derogatory or offensive about any players though, sometimes it's nice to get a bit of balance from an outside view as opinions naturally becomes a bit gold-tinted when people have an attachment to things.

There have been plenty of times when Neves has been discussed on here and the general consensus has been along the lines of 'any team in the league would love to have him' but perhaps he's not seen as being quite so special away from Wolverhampton?

 

[sycophantia]

I've enjoyed Leon's posts/views about us and Leicester but tbf Jabba has a point, this is a Wolves forum and we all know what rabid football fans are like, people will get a bit precious when an opposition fan critiques what most fans see as their best player....nature of the beast I'm afraid

 

[Wolvensam]

In fairness to Leon it's nice to get an outside perspective, and he is right to SOME extent: I don't think he is saying we know nothing about our players, he is just offering an alternate opinion.

I imagine to "outside fans" it does seem like Jota was our best player, but I think Jota's meteoric rise since leaving here is as much to do with Klopp and Liverpool's system getting the best out of him. The idea of him playing under Lage with a high press, attacking football into feet is mouthwatering to be honest: that's exactly how he plays at Liverpool and - in hindsight - he's a steal at £45m. He's quite easily a £60-70m player now. It doesn't mean we gave Liverpool a good deal, it just means Jota has come on leaps and bounds since leaving. To some extent Klopp has done similar with Mane, and Salah.

I'm not saying Nuno's coaching is to blame because it absolutely isn't, but sometimes it's just a case of the right coach with the right systems. Jota always stuck out a bit like a sore thumb in anything we played, except that brief time we played 3-5-2 with him and Raul up top and we were absolutely devastating.

 

[Wolvensam]

And for all the lambasting of the club I've seen for their "next Neves/Traore" policy (not necessarily on here, but elsewhere) again, Leicester have done similar: Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, they've always sold a "big" player every transfer window to accumulate funds that is then re-invested into the squad. This window is the only one since their title winning season where there hasn't been a huge outgoing (£30m+), actually. As long as we have a plan B in place and don't mess around, I'm not hugely against our big players being sold: it's just the nature of the beast when you're not Manchester City or Liverpool.

 

[Tony Towner]

And for all the lambasting of the club I've seen for their "next Neves/Traore" policy (not necessarily on here, but elsewhere) again, Leicester have done similar: Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, they've always sold a "big" player every transfer window to accumulate funds that is then re-invested into the squad. This window is the only one since their title winning season where there hasn't been a huge outgoing (£30m+), actually. As long as we have a plan B in place and don't mess around, I'm not hugely against our big players being sold: it's just the nature of the beast when you're not Manchester City or Liverpool.

By and large Leicester aren't trying to do it by buying teenagers though. That's the flaw for me, not the selling a top player for top money and reinvesting back in the team element.

 

[Deano]

Also Leicester have invested a lot in their recruitment team and have good football people at the top of the club and in their recruitment department.

Nothing we have done in the last 3 years suggests that we can have any success with that model.