Summer 2020 Transfer Window (Extended Version)

[Deleted Cyber]

Kudos on only picking up on half of the last sentence of my post and ignoring the rest.

The rest said nothing of relevance. Faith and patience is what you hope for at 16 on a date with a chance of a blowie at the end . Once you have tried faith and patience three or 4 time’s and got nowt you may be a little apprehensive on the fifth try. That’s what the last few windows have been like for me.

So it’s fine for the best manager in my lifetime to say he wants a bigger squad three weeks ago and in that time lose two members of the squad that since used the fewest players one playing about 50 games last year and we are 15 days from the new season. Colour me unimpressed to go with my end of season disappointment.

I want a squad of players and a bench of equivalent quality and , quite simply. We do not have it ATM. If that’s me picking on your post then so be it. Not feeling much love for this window so far . Also not holding my breath it’s going to improve.

 

[Nando]

No squad in world football has a bench of equivalent quality - you're having a laugh. If that's your benchmark you're never going to be happy, but we knew that anyway.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

No squad in world football has a bench of equivalent quality - you're having a laugh. If that's your benchmark you're never going to be happy, but we knew that anyway.

Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Chelsea
Bayern
Real
Athletico
Should I go on or stop there? All have benches that bring on players who are almost as good. We don’t.

I would also suggest battles and wars. If you really think our bench is good enough then there is no debating with you . It isn’t.

Ruddy for Patricio is as close as it gets

Bennett or Kiliman are both below Boly and Saiss by some way
Bonatini for Jimenez? Really?
Jordao for Neves?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Liverpool absolutely do not.

Their reserve front three would be something like Minamino-Origi-Shaqiri. Two of those I wouldn't want at Wolves even as subs.

Just picking the league champions there so I don't have to go through the rest, which equally do not have what you think they have.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Chelsea
Bayern
Real
Athletico
Should I go on or stop there? All have benches that bring on players who are almost as good. We don’t.

I would also suggest battles and wars. If you really think our bench is good enough then there is no debating with you . It isn’t.

Damn us for not having a bench as good as the established elite level clubs. They are all teams in the top 2-4 of their countries for at least 20 years ffs.

Buts lets go for it, there is a noticeable drop off between Otamendi and Bravo at City. No way does Ederson let Docs in down here.

Origi isn't close to the Liverpool 3. We saw what their reserve goalkeeper did against Atleti.

I'm sure others will provide examples of a drop off in quality with the others

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Well Origi is better than bonatini for a start and Shaquiri whilst I agree is a prick is decent and can do something special to change a game

Notice you didn’t go Man City.

It’s your opinion. Fine. I can’t think of the last substitution we made that improved the game or changed it for the better other than our change to 343 when performance as 352 has been inadequate.

Sorry. It’s another meh window so far and I hope that changes.

BTW see Chelsea. Not fucking about there at all and already had 10 more players than we have

 

[Nando]

Once again you change tact. Almost as good does not equal equivalent does it?

Nowhere have I said I'm content with our squad as it stands. Your initial point that our bench should be of equivalent quality to our first XI is complete and utter fantasy. We're not playing FIFA/FM here.

Liverpool have Origi as their backup forward across the whole front line. Arsenal have a bunch of kids or filth like Mustafi, Kolasinac, Elneny and Sokratis. Real spent 100m+ on some depth last summer and they're being flogged on as they aren't up to scratch. Atletico play a DM up front.

Notwithstanding all of that, they're all clubs who are on a completely different planet in terms of financial capabilities than us - any expectancy that we should be able to compete at that level is again fantasy.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well Origi is better than bonatini for a start and Shaquiri whilst I agree is a prick is decent and can do something special to change a game

What?!

You're on about clubs having equivalent quality on the bench to what's in their first team. Divock Origi is nowhere near as good as any of Liverpool's first choice front three. He is in fact fucking rubbish.

I don't know where Bonatini enters the debate, he hasn't even made a bench for us in nearly two years.

I'll do City for you if you like. None of their non-Laporte centre halves are in the same galaxy as him, they don't have a proper left back at all for a club of that level, they can't replace De Bruyne and Jesus is miles off Agüero.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I don’t rate otamendi at all.

Try and put a neutral hat on. Ask fans from other clubs who they would pick in the following straight choices

Shaquiri or Neto?
Origi or bonatini
Otamendi or Kilman
Jordao or Harry Wilson

I think the majority don’t pick our players.

Besides you’re picking a fight on something that Nuno wanted to improve! His bench. His words were summarised as we need to have similar quality to call on to change a game basically.

So if he sees it I see it and others see it why don’t you?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

What?!

You're on about clubs having equivalent quality on the bench to what's in their first team. Divock Origi is nowhere near as good as any of Liverpool's first choice front three. He is in fact fucking rubbish.

I don't know where Bonatini enters the debate, he hasn't even made a bench for us in nearly two years.

Who else have we got? Campana? Same difference. Substitute his name for bonatini if you like . Same result

 

[Nando]

None of that is of any relevance whatsoever to your original point. Quelle surprise.

You also happen to be comparing us with a state sponsored club with unlimited funds and a club run as a weekend hobby owned by one of the richest men in the world. Shame on us!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Please use the worlds smallest pair of scissors to split that hair.

If we had Giroud to back up Jimenez he would be an equivalent sub at 70 mins for a tiring Raul in my view. Campana or Bonatini are both less of a threat than HGitoud agreed?

Therefore weaker.

Fucks sake

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Who else have we got? Campana? Same difference. Substitute his name for bonatini if you like . Same result

Do you want me to say "we should sign a striker"?

Then congratulations, here you go. We should sign a striker.

That wasn't what we were talking about though.

Yep, I'm sure Olivier Giroud wants to leave Chelsea for Wolves to play the exact same bit-part role, only they're in the Champions League and we aren't, and they might win the league and we won't, and he lives in London and we're not in London. Sake.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Ok. We have 12 players if suitable quality and the rest

well

Aren’t.

If we don’t sign three or four we are 1 or two injuries from a hard slog of a season

Off to bed hoping that we don’t have to endure this mind numbing defence of a shit transfer window.

If it quacks like a duck it’s a duck. Our squad lacks depth more than any top ten side in my humble and honestly held opinion and selling players without replacing them first would seem odd . I therefore expect to see three or four players capabl of challenging those in possess of the shirt for a place. That’s my definition of equivalents

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not one person says we don't need to sign players. Just some aren't having an aneurysm about it every five seconds.

Look at your last half hour, man.

"We should have subs who are exactly as good as those on the pitch, because loads of other clubs have that" (Narrator: no, they don't)
"We should sign Olivier Giroud"
"Leo Bonatini"

No chill.

 

[Nando]

Please use the worlds smallest pair of scissors to split that hair.

If we had Giroud to back up Jimenez he would be an equivalent sub at 70 mins for a tiring Raul in my view. Campana or Bonatini are both less of a threat than HGitoud agreed?

Therefore weaker.

Fucks sake

OK, so taking your illustrious list of clubs and their centre forwards.

Firmino - Origi. Spectacular drop off.
Aguero - Jesus. Jesus is more than decent but of equivalent quality he is not.
Lewandowski - err, nothing.
Aubameyang - Nketiah. Talented, but absolutely miles away.
Kane - errr, nothing again.
Werner-Giroud-Abraham - Russian billionaire spends money on good footballers for his play thing. Well I never.
Atletico don't have a striker I'd take over Raul so they now play a career DM there.

I'd like us to sign another striker, I don't expect him to be of equal quality to Raul as it's completely unrealistic.

 

[darlowolf64]

Please use the worlds smallest pair of scissors to split that hair.

If we had Giroud to back up Jimenez he would be an equivalent sub at 70 mins for a tiring Raul in my view. Campana or Bonatini are both less of a threat than HGitoud agreed?

Therefore weaker.

Fucks sake

Sorry mate but if we have a front 3 of Podence, Raul and Traore I would have Jota and Neto ahead of Divock Origi 101 times out of 100 and THAT was your Liverpool argument

 

[Freddeno]

Not commented on the Doc situation yet but without wanting to sound like a broken record, we don't know what is happening behind the scenes, who we've targeted, who we've made contact with and if we have, how far down the line the negotiations are.

I can't bring myself to get worked up about Doherty leaving until we see the end result when the window closes.

I absolutely trust Nuno and Jeff Shi because they have improved this club to a degree I didn't think was possible, particularly in the time frame they have. We are making rapid progress in terms of overall growth even if our transfer business - on the surface - looks rather stagnant.

In short, I think they know what they're doing and there will be a lot going on behind the scenes that we have no idea about.

As ever, supporters need to show some faith and some patience.

good and balanced post Langers

 

[carl0s]

Are we really comparing our bench to the likes of Atleti, Liverpool and Man City?

Champions League and Domestic League winners with many many years of experience at the "top"

People seem to forget that Wolves are still, by all accounts, a small time club.

Those teams have signed single players for the same amount of money that we would likely spend building a team in an entire window.

People need to come back down to earth, Wolves are not at that level yet.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Sparked by a poor use of the word equivalent. I am very concerned at the gap in quality between our starting 11 and our back ups. Apart from wingers our back up is quite a bit poorer . I do not think that is the same in any other club bar Sheffield United , newly promoted teams excluded. I fear it’s another season of the sky six winning everything , buying everyone of note and the gap between them and the rest growing.

What doesn’t help my frustration is us saying we need to strengthen our depth quality (Nuno said that after we lost to Seville) and promptly letting two members of that already thin squad go. One a regular starter and one on the fringe.

Now I would happily have taken upgrades on both and have said as much but it’s highly unlikely AML is coming here. We are still several players short and the season is two weeks away.