Summer 2020 Transfer Window (Extended Version)

[YoungWolf]

Yeah I don’t really know how we got to cutrone when discussing Doc tbf

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ah, think what you like about Cutrone, I saw good bits and bad bits.

Fucking Afobe though :icon_lol:

 

[The Bear]

We're not the only team to have not spent anything yet:

THE 20 PREMIER LEAGUE CLUBS' SPENDING THIS WINDOW

Arsenal - £14m

Aston Villa - £0

Brighton - £1.4m

Burnley - undisclosed figures

Chelsea - £140m (Havertz will make it £230m)

Crystal Palace - £19.5m

Everton - £0

Fulham - £12.9m

Leeds United - £18m (Rodrigo will make it £53m)

Leicester City - £0

Liverpool - £11.8m

Manchester City - £86m

Manchester United - £0

Newcastle United - £0

Sheffield United - £18.5m

Southampton - £22.9m

Tottenham Hotspur - £20m

West Bromwich Albion - £9m

West Ham United - £15m

Wolverhampton Wanderers - £0

*Chelsea and Manchester City combined = £226m (will be £316m with Havertz).

*Other 18 clubs = £163m (will be £198m with Rodrigo to Leeds). Burnley's fees are unknown.

*Figures correct as of Friday, August 28 at 2pm.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Ah, think what you like about Cutrone, I saw good bits and bad bits.

Fucking Afobe though :icon_lol:

Hyperbole makes every point better!

Edit - And although I wasn’t being deadly serious. I wasn’t saying Afobe was better than Cutrone, I was saying the way he was playing in our system Afobe would have been a better option it was that much of a mismatch.

 

[prawnking]

Rui
Adama Boly Coady Saiss Vinagre
Neves mout
Podence Raul Neto

If no more come in that's most likely our starting XI with Jota and Donck interchangeable if we need them

It's a very pacey line up

If we don't have any kind of proper RWB in to replace Doc for our first couple of games then it's a poor show and frankly negligent. I doubt that will be the case.

Exciting line-up (though don't think Neto is quite up to replacing a fit Jota just yet), but I hope we will be scoring more goals than usual, as I fear that team would be conceding quite a few more, even with the Moroccan Van Dijk in the back three

 

[Freddeno]

Behave? Really?
Ok I'll give you a scenario,
Patricio
Doc/AMN Boly Coady, Saiss, Vinagre
Neves Moutinho
Traore Raul Jota
That leaves Donck, Neto, Podence on the bench, yes a bit light in other areas but would you swap any of Spurs, Leicester, Chelsea, Man U alsorans for any of them...I wouldn't, so no I don't think we have the worst bench in the top 7

Yes, I would swap some players..sure

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hyperbole makes every point better!

Edit - And although I wasn’t being deadly serious. I wasn’t saying Afobe was better than Cutrone, I was saying the way he was playing in our system Afobe would have been a better option it was that much of a mismatch.

I don't think he would as he no longer has any interest in staying in a proper position (watched him for Bristol City post-lockdown, still drifting around everywhere to zero effect), still can't trap a bag of cement and his biggest strength has always been off the shoulder, he looked like a fish out of water when we brought him back, even if he knocked in a few inconsequential goals against rubbish teams.

But yes, there were almost certainly more suitable forwards around for a similar kind of fee. Whether they'd also have baulked at hardly ever starting games, who knows.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I don't think he would as he no longer has any interest in staying in a proper position (watched him for Bristol City post-lockdown, still drifting around everywhere to zero effect), still can't trap a bag of cement and his biggest strength has always been off the shoulder, he looked like a fish out of water when we brought him back, even if he knocked in a few inconsequential goals against rubbish teams.

But yes, there were almost certainly more suitable forwards around for a similar kind of fee. Whether they'd also have baulked at hardly ever starting games, who knows.

Well yes, old Afobe.

Cutrone was making good runs off the shoulder but we weren’t giving him the ball and when we were he was losing the foot race anyway and when he won’t the foot race he missed (city away springs to mind). Then when he came short with his back to goal the ball bounced off him, wasn’t his game.

Would have been better off with McBurnie for that fee and half the wages...

 

[sycophantia]

Yes, I would swap some players..sure

Ah well we'll have to disagree on that then, which is fine

 

[Tredman]

 

[The Bear]

"£15m? I'd have got you double that Jeff."

 

[Derby Wolf]

Jez would've sold him for £7.5m and spent the next five years telling everybody how he'd sold him for 100 times the original outlay.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

You say that but we signed a CB last summer who can’t head, can’t defend 1 v 1 in the channel, gets bullied easily and is nothing special on the ball. Add to that a striker who is physically weak, doesn’t make up for that with pace and can’t play with his back to goal. Clubs scout players badly and sign bad players.

Not sure what that's got to do with how much we got for Doherty?

 

[Freddeno]

Ah well we'll have to disagree on that then, which is fine

yes, no problem with that..everybody is entitled to their personal opinion

 

[PuntsWolf]

Not sure what that's got to do with how much we got for Doherty?

Because Spurs want him, so pay going rate for a PL player with “favourable stats” in back to back season. Whether we think he’s shit or Spurs think he’s limited (they don’t or they wouldn’t be trying to sign him, as you say “they see a role for him”).

Why you and others are trying to justify a low fee for him is baffling. Why can’t we just accept that £15m for a starting WB, not angling for a move, with a long contract, with statistically two good seasons, to a top 6 club is just strange. Whether we want him or not, or whether we sign TAA for £15m afterwards is irrelevant to whether £15m for Matt Doherty to spurs is less than the going rate.

Now we might think we mentioned by someone earlier that a quick sale and then reinvesting the money straight away is better than haggling for a few extra million. It might be but again it doesn’t change that in isolation £15m is bad value.

 

[Freddeno]

Because Spurs want him, so pay going rate for a PL player with “favourable stats” in back to back season. Whether we think he’s shit or Spurs think he’s limited (they don’t or they wouldn’t be trying to sign him, as you say “they see a role for him”).

Why you and others are trying to justify a low fee for him is baffling. Why can’t we just accept that £15m for a starting WB, not angling for a move, with a long contract, with statistically two good seasons, to a top 6 club is just strange. Whether we want him or not, or whether we sign TAA for £15m afterwards is irrelevant to whether £15m for Matt Doherty to spurs is less than the going rate.

yeah, £25m is about right for me

 

[Premier Quality]

not angling for a move

What makes you think he’s not angling for a move? Several reports have said that he’s told Jeff and Nuno that he wants this move, and that’s contributed to us letting him go?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

yeah, £25m is about right for me

Based on what though? None of our signings other than Jimenez cost that.

He's worth what someone else will pay.

Remember when you wanted £7m for Dicko...

 

[PuntsWolf]

What makes you think he’s not angling for a move? Several reports have said that he’s told Jeff and Nuno that he wants this move?

Yeah he wants it now it’s come up and we’ve told him he can go...
But he wasn’t on strike was he.

Now we will never know, but I highly doubt if we’d have said to him “Matt we really want you to stay and help us kick on, here’s a new contract” he’d have still chucked his toys out the pram to leave for bloody Spurs!!

 

[Freddeno]

Based on what though? None of our signings other than Jimenez cost that.

He's worth what someone else will pay.

Remember when you wanted £7m for Dicko...

Market has changed though...fees you have to pay is a lot higher now