Millwall 2 - 2 Wolves: The Verdict Thread

[AndyWolves]

And bananas are just a fruit, how can they be racist?

 

[Siggy]

You're missing the point Siggy, the chicken chant was aimed at him because of the colour of skin. No other reason. It wasn't because he liked fried chicken.

I haven't missed the point, there are countless instances of this mostly in the US and quite frankly I find it utterly ridiculous.

It has no history here at all (I find the US history tedious at best)

I really don't want to get into the race debate, its been done a million times but if we are saying the fried chicken thing is offensive then we may as well stop fans from attending matches as I have heard far more offensive chants from our own fans than that.

 

[leedswolf]

I haven't missed the point, there are countless instances of this mostly in the US and quite frankly I find it utterly ridiculous.

It has no history here at all (I find the US history tedious at best)

I really don't want to get into the race debate, its been done a million times but if we are saying the fried chicken thing is offensive then we may as well stop fans from attending matches as I have heard far more offensive chants from our own fans than that.

I'm sure that the chicken reference was just good old bantz and no offence was intended. Sticks and stones eh?

 

[AndyWolves]

I haven't missed the point, there are countless instances of this mostly in the US and quite frankly I find it utterly ridiculous.

It has no history here at all (I find the US history tedious at best)

I really don't want to get into the race debate, its been done a million times but if we are saying the fried chicken thing is offensive then we may as well stop fans from attending matches as I have heard far more offensive chants from our own fans than that.

It's not the words themselves that are necessarily racist it's the way they are used and in what context

 

[Johnny75]

I haven't missed the point, there are countless instances of this mostly in the US and quite frankly I find it utterly ridiculous.

It has no history here at all (I find the US history tedious at best)

I really don't want to get into the race debate, its been done a million times but if we are saying the fried chicken thing is offensive then we may as well stop fans from attending matches as I have heard far more offensive chants from our own fans than that.

Of course it's racist don't be stupid, it's not banter or a chant about the player's culinary habits.

 

[Trips]

There isn't (or shouldn't be) a scale of more offensive or less offensive racist chants. The song is being sung because of the colour of his skin, so the song is racist. Whether worse chants are sung or not is irrelevant, it doesn't mean we can just ignore it and say the player should 'toughen up'

 

[The Bear]

It's based on "Chicken George" who is a slave character in Roots. It's nothing to do with his preference for fast food.

 

[YoungWolf]

Sigh.

Anyway, the three players who have been reported to be targeted by the abuse and chanting have been offered support by Kick It Out.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

It's based on "Chicken George" who is a slave character in Roots. It's nothing to do with his preference for fast food.

I don't think that's right.

 

[StuardoWulf]

and our fans singing the fat spanish waiter thing at Rafa last season?

 

[Derby Wolf]

I haven't missed the point, there are countless instances of this mostly in the US and quite frankly I find it utterly ridiculous.

It has no history here at all (I find the US history tedious at best)

I really don't want to get into the race debate, its been done a million times but if we are saying the fried chicken thing is offensive then we may as well stop fans from attending matches as I have heard far more offensive chants from our own fans than that.

Id say what's equally offensive is you dictating what the individual should and shouldn't be offended/hurt/distressed by deserving and undeserving victimhood? Really?

It's racist not because of its words but because of the caricature it portrays. Racism is often reductionist and crude caricature of the stereotyped race. Earlier in the season it was Lukaku and the caricature of black sexuality and equally racist.

 

[Siggy]

Id say what's equally offensive is you dictating what the individual should and shouldn't be offended/hurt/distressed by deserving and undeserving victimhood? Really?

It's racist not because of its words but because of the caricature it portrays. Racism is often reductionist and crude caricature of the stereotyped race. Earlier in the season it was Lukaku and the caricature of black sexuality and equally racist.

Dear me, how am I dictating anything here? I am merely saying that IMO (its mine you don't have to agree) there are times when a club should jump in and take action, Monkey noises - yes, chants that claim someone is a terrorist - yes .... tedious links to food based stereotypes for black people living in the south of the US - no.

Is it distasteful in my opinion yes, is reaction to that over the top - yes

I hope that doesn't offend you further.

 

[YoungWolf]

Tedious links to food based stereotypes?

What other reason did they chant 'you only came here for the chicken' at N'Diaye, other than because he is black?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

If you are referring to the chicken chant his like or dislike for fried chicken is not derogatory in any way, therefore he should toughen up. If he ran on the pitch because of monkey noises then bloody right its racist.

its a bit like me running on the pitch due to a chant from Asians that we love curry....bit silly if you ask me.

I suggest you read up on your history. There is absolutely no comparison between your curry reference and “chicken insults”.

Chicken (and watermelons) were widely used as anti-Black imagery, particularly in the US, to dehumanise, ridicule and perpetuate negative racial stereotypes.

In the context of the Millwall match I would be pretty sure it was an insult based purely and simply on the colour of the player. If you think the solution is to “toughen up” then you’re part of the problem. Sorry.

 

[Siggy]

Tedious links to food based stereotypes?

What other reason did they chant 'you only came here for the chicken' at N'Diaye, other than because he is black?

I am not disputing that, my only reason for commenting in the first place (I really really wish I hadn't now) was to say that if they are making monkey noises or claiming someone looks like a terrorist the club should take action. If it was that the "he only came for the chicken" chant was the sole offence then I don't think the hysteria is justified.

I am not saying that you or anyone else shouldn't be offended by that or anything else, people seem to get offended by very little these days its just a case of when authorities should and shouldn't get involved.

 

[Siggy]

I suggest you read up on your history. There is absolutely no comparison between your curry reference and “chicken insults”.

Chicken (and watermelons) were widely used as anti-Black imagery, particularly in the US, to dehumanise, ridicule and perpetuate negative racial stereotypes.

In the context of the Millwall match I would be pretty sure it was an insult based purely and simply on the colour of the player. If you think the solution is to “toughen up” then you’re part of the problem. Sorry.

My only mistake here was to share an opinion in the first place, I won't do that again.

As for saying im part of the problem, that shows just how ignorant you are.

 

[The Bear]

I don't think that's right.

The character in the show trains them for cock fighting. I guess idiot racists have applied their own meaning since cock fighting doesn't really happen any more.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The character in the show trains them for cock fighting. I guess idiot racists have applied their own meaning since cock fighting doesn't really happen any more.

I've seen the film.

The link is obviously dietary as TSB has mentioned, the association is well trodden across the pond.

 

[sycophantia]

Surely the actual basis for the chants is largely irrelevant, the fact is whatever the intended meaning, it was a racist attack on black people which is unacceptable, everyone will have their own view on what constitutes racism and we have to be careful that attacking people who have slightly different views doesn't distract us from the real racist bully boys who will just carry on as they are. What we should be doing imo is making the authorities jump on it hard because atm they don't have the balls or worry about bad publicity/loss of revenue.

 

[YoungWolf]

I am not disputing that, my only reason for commenting in the first place (I really really wish I hadn't now) was to say that if they are making monkey noises or claiming someone looks like a terrorist the club should take action. If it was that the "he only came for the chicken" chant was the sole offence then I don't think the hysteria is justified.

I am not saying that you or anyone else shouldn't be offended by that or anything else, people seem to get offended by very little these days its just a case of when authorities should and shouldn't get involved.

So if the only chant that the Millwall fans had done in the entire game was to say 'you only came for the chicken' at a black player, because he is black (which you have agreed is true) there should be no action taken?

"People seem to get offended by very little these days". I was absolutely outraged at the time and I still am now, just by the above chant. If defending ethnic minorities against racial chanting and stereotypes is being easily offended, then I will happily be easily offended. God forbid we should be nicer to people in modern society.