Let's talk about Nuno....

[AndyWolves]

Can someone tell me what the first team coaches role is and how much influence they will have on style of play etc? I thought that would be Nunos bag but I've been wrong plenty of times before

 

[Johnny75]

From Ian Cathro's Wiki Page

Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers said that there appeared to be a "confused" approach at Hearts, with a mismatch between the style of play Cathro wanted to implement and the type of players signed by the club.

Probably me looking for excuses for Nuno, but you do hear noises about his influence

I'm not sure Cathro has any relevance to Nuno and I think we've just hired another analyst to give a different perspective. I would like to see Nuno hire another member of staff, an attack minded coach, to give him his mojo back.

 

[Johnny75]

Can someone tell me what the first team coaches role is and how much influence they will have on style of play etc? I thought that would be Nunos bag but I've been wrong plenty of times before

That literally depends on Nuno and his objectives for team management. I've never seen him coach a session or talk about his tactical approach to management and it's as individual a thing as a manager has.

Fergie rarely did any coaching when he rebuilt the Man Utd squad and had both Kidd and Mclaren follow his plan whereas Wenger spent an hour every day with the players running through a session.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

For all the stick Fabio has been getting on other threads, and the defence of Adama, Fabio has more Premier League goals in 2020 and 2021 than Adama. Less time on the pitch too.

Agree with Del further up the thread, one purple patch for Adama in 2 and a half seasons here. He wasnt brilliant in the first season, had a great spell in the middle of last season, and has been poor this year.

I don’t think Fabio looks threatening 99% of the time but Adama scares the shit out of defenders 100% of the time. The time to have sold him was last summer. Now I would build the attack around him and the whole philosophy. With the players we already have I would go full on Keegan or Bielsa. Ok we may need a better centre half and a proper attacking midfield but that should be the plan for next year. If your one trick pony has a fucking good trick why not play to it? I have yet to see what trick Fabio excels at in comparison. I honestly feel for him but he has been a huge damp squib. He has no pace no hold up play and little strength. He does have one thing that Adama doesn’t have. A natural footballing brain. If you crossed him with Adama you would get Ronaldo 2014.
So in summary Nuno shit or get off the pot. You have 15 games. Select the style to suit the personnel and play it. We could get some tonkings but it would at least be entertaining. Leeds fans like Newcastle fans under Keegan are quite happy with the way they approach games and have accepted the odd tonk! At the moment we cant score can’t create and often can’t defend and unless that changes Nuno won’t be here next season and nor will a number of the first team. Fosun did not enter a 10 year plan for it to stall fatally after 4. Play Neves and Vitinha higher behind a front three. Play Otasowie as a DM and let him interchange with Neves .Play Donk at the back and upgrade the CH in the summer. Have MGW as an attacking CM back up to Vitinha. Give WJ the opportunity to show what he can do and if he can’t replace him in the summer if possible.

 

[Paul]

If we were to take your posts as representative Adama has never played well and would appear to be the spawn of the devil, whose sole purpose in life is to give energy to your posts.

How would you say he's performed over his time here, on a whole, honestly? For the record I do not dislike him, I just think he's a luxury we can ill afford on the premise that he may, may do something. Dave Edwards used to get roasted on a weekly basis but doing more than Adama does now.

ps. I am allowed an opinion you know, we are not a socialist country yet

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

For all the criticism of Adama, who at present plays instead of him? MGW? Vitinha? Until Podence is back (and probably after that) he is in our first team automatically.

 

[jd1981]

I think Nuno is in trouble if we haven’t improved by October, I can’t see anything happening before then unless we lose loads in a row and find ourselves in trouble. I’m not happy with how we have played this season but I want to see us with fans back and a normal ish pre season before I start thinking that Nuno isn’t the one to take us further.

A lot depends on how we finish up this season, if we end up coming 12/13th or even where we’re now I think he’ll be fine. However if we don’t break 40 points and end up finishing 16th & 17th and show no clear signs of improvement he could be in trouble.
The best thing for him to do is get two good results v Villa and Albion to appease some of the toxic elements of the fan base, they’re not yard sticks for me but we know how fanbases work.
I’m pretty sure he’ll get us to a position where relegation is well and truly out the question then release the handbrake.

 

[The Bear]

For all the criticism of Adama, who at present plays instead of him? MGW? Vitinha? Until Podence is back (and probably after that) he is in our first team automatically.

We switch to two up front with Neto on the left of Jose.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So yet another change of formation? Just imagine the criticism.

And then with 2 up front that presumably means 3 in CM, with Dendoncker playing at CB at the moment, how does that work?

Neto has been excellent on the LW, you want to change his position and probably stymie his form just so we can drop Adama?

 

[Tony Towner]

So yet another change of formation? Just imagine the criticism.

And then with 2 up front that presumably means 3 in CM, with Dendoncker playing at CB at the moment, how does that work?

Neto has been excellent on the LW, you want to change his position and probably stymie his form just so we can drop Adama?

I'm not advocating it, but youu could do a Southampton style
4222 where the fullbacks give the width

 

[The Bear]

I'd much rather play 4-2-3-1 but Boly and Podence's injuries have shelved that for the time being.

Neves/Moutinho/Donk/Vitinha/MGW. Take your pick from those for the three in midfield. We may as well give MGW a go in a #10.

Neto has the attributes to play that Forward (Left) position. Basically the role that Ronaldo plays for Juventus. I'm not saying Neto is Ronaldo but he has the attributes to play that role IMO. He can drop off to link with Jose through the middle (he started to do this while we were playing 4-2-3-1 where he'd pick up the ball just left of central behind Silva), or he can drift wide left to receive the ball before running at defenders towards the box. He's pacy, direct, can shoot with both feet. He could adapt to it easily IMO.

 

[Tredman]

How would you say he's performed over his time here, on a whole, honestly? For the record I do not dislike him, I just think he's a luxury we can ill afford on the premise that he may, may do something. Dave Edwards used to get roasted on a weekly basis but doing more than Adama does now.

ps. I am allowed an opinion you know, we are not a socialist country yet

 

[Johnny75]

For all the criticism of Adama, who at present plays instead of him? MGW? Vitinha? Until Podence is back (and probably after that) he is in our first team automatically.

This is palpable rubbish. We were a far better team last night without Adama on the pitch. MGW and Vitinha played closer to Silva, we looked more solid and MGW should've had a penalty. Adama did the square root of fuck all, even scuffing his one good chance straight into the ground.

I would play MGW and Neto in the deeper roles behind WJ, more narrow and more supportive and let Neto go out wide if Jonny cuts inside and let Semedo patrol the right flank which he seems more comfortable doing.

 

[PuntsWolf]

The formation is irrelevant. Just have some kind of pattern of play or attacking strategy.

It’s how we play not what we play.

 

[Johnny75]

The formation is irrelevant. Just have some kind of pattern of play or attacking strategy.

It’s how we play not what we play.

Don't agree with that, how you play and the formation you play are linked to the players you have. To say you're always going to attack and have treacle-slow defenders then you are going to lose games all the time.

To date Nuno has been good at getting the best out of his counter attack strategy and the bit I do agree with you on is that we need more attacking patterns and strategy or we're going to lose all games.

 

[Paul]

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How long did that take you

 

[Tredman]

How long did that take you

Less than a minute. I always have it on hand for colleagues who are being nobs

 

[PuntsWolf]

Don't agree with that, how you play and the formation you play are linked to the players you have. To say you're always going to attack and have treacle-slow defenders then you are going to lose games all the time.

To date Nuno has been good at getting the best out of his counter attack strategy and the bit I do agree with you on is that we need more attacking patterns and strategy or we're going to lose all games.

I didn’t mean it like that. I meant it more how slink put it. I don’t care if it’s 3-4-3, 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1 etc.

I want to just see us look like we have some sort of plan in possession.

I think 4-2-3-1 worked for us as we had more attacking players on the pitch and they were allowed to “express themselves” in a Harry Redknapp coaching manual way, without any actual specifics from the coaching staff.

Maybe harsh assessment of Nuno’s tactical/coaching credentials. But I’d say there’s plenty of evidence from his time here and at other clubs that he struggles with the attacking side of the game.

 

[Paul]

Less than a minute. I always have it on hand for colleagues who are being nobs

Can I borrow it next time you go on a Podence rant ?

 

[Tredman]

Can I borrow it next time you go on a Podence rant ?

https://www.canva.com/graphs/venn-diagrams/