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Giro d'Italia / Tour de France

thehistorymakers said:
Is it a joke that paddy has been banned? His input to this forum is fantastic. His posts will be missed on this thread. Can he be let off, as when I sleep a siesta and miss what has happened on the tour, I just open this thread and read Paddy's posts.
Can't he have a yellow card this time? Please.
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He's jetted off on holiday with his wife and kids so Squeeze is delighted to have his full attention ;)
 
At least no-one will want the (slightly more yellow than before) jersey.
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Seems the team as a whole has been targetted by a few.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...us-today-have-no-place-in-sport-31388466.html
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presume you've read kimmage's article too?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...ell-advised-to-invite-questions-31386946.html

obviously there's a siege mentality going on here and a question of story control. as you pointed out the dominance issue today is no different to two years back. but if they couldn't nail the past improvement story then, why did they think it was ever going away?
 
nimrod said:
presume you've read kimmage's article too?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...ell-advised-to-invite-questions-31386946.html

obviously there's a siege mentality going on here and a question of story control. as you pointed out the dominance issue today is no different to two years back. but if they couldn't nail the past improvement story then, why did they think it was ever going away?
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Is that not a lot of insinuations, backed up by not a lot? Obviously to the writer his access is the most important thing, however, to the team its clearly not.

Froome could just be a perfect storm - grew up at altitiude and body accustomed to low iron count and then fixed (my wife had bilahrzia too, so I have a great deal of experience with the effects, though hers, before being treated, was a lot worse than Froome's)
 
tredman said:
Is that not a lot of insinuations, backed up by not a lot? Obviously to the writer his access is the most important thing, however, to the team its clearly not.

Froome could just be a perfect storm - grew up at altitiude and body accustomed to low iron count and then fixed (my wife had bilahrzia too, so I have a great deal of experience with the effects, though hers, before being treated, was a lot worse than Froome's)
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it's not really for me to judge, but given the history of cycling i don't think anybody should be surprised if an insinuation goes a long long way. i don't believe kimmage is actually making any insinuations in his article. but he is pointing out that there have been inconsistencies in sky's approach which will inevitably fuel certain views. he's certainly been proven right on that score.
 
nimrod said:
presume you've read kimmage's article too?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...ell-advised-to-invite-questions-31386946.html

obviously there's a siege mentality going on here and a question of story control. as you pointed out the dominance issue today is no different to two years back. but if they couldn't nail the past improvement story then, why did they think it was ever going away?
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I hadn't thanks for that (wouldn't mind bought the paper yesterday but found after a heavy night Saturday it was too much like hard work to open it and read it).

Sky are making things hard for themselves, they have skirted round the issues for 2 years and they had two years to sort out enough information to put out there for people to see.

As you said a siege mentality, the data that came out last week was a case in point, they immediately said was hacked by some dodgy French bloke, experts now reckon that as the data that came out was very specific and connected (if it was hacked would be a lot more random) then it was leaked, who leaked it and for what agenda is another question.
 
tredman said:
Is that not a lot of insinuations, backed up by not a lot? Obviously to the writer his access is the most important thing, however, to the team its clearly not.

Froome could just be a perfect storm - grew up at altitiude and body accustomed to low iron count and then fixed (my wife had bilahrzia too, so I have a great deal of experience with the effects, though hers, before being treated, was a lot worse than Froome's)
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He could be, what he is doing now if he is clean is at the very edge of what a human can do unaided, and who's rapid improvement from a journeyman to an all-time great (because thats what his times are showing, plus if it wasn't for team orders and a crash, he would be going for 4 in a row) is mainly down to a relatively simple cure for a medical condition ( Not for a second trying to belittle cancer but Lance had a similar tale).

Unfortunately for him if he is clean, the last thing cycling needed after Lance was a freak, especially one with Froome's story of improvement.

Kimmage likes to stir the pot and is pointing out Sky's inconsistancies, they came into the sport with a wad of cash and a big fanfare about what they were going to do, they made out they would be whiter then white and when they are not, people will jump on it.
 
Donegal Wolf said:
He could be, what he is doing now if he is clean is at the very edge of what a human can do unaided, and who's rapid improvement from a journeyman to an all-time great (because thats what his times are showing, plus if it wasn't for team orders and a crash, he would be going for 4 in a row) is mainly down to a relatively simple cure for a medical condition ( Not for a second trying to belittle cancer but Lance had a similar tale).

Unfortunately for him if he is clean, the last thing cycling needed after Lance was a freak, especially one with Froome's story of improvement.

Kimmage likes to stir the pot and is pointing out Sky's inconsistancies, they came into the sport with a wad of cash and a big fanfare about what they were going to do, they made out they would be whiter then white and when they are not, people will jump on it.
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Bit different for me, but I have personal experience of someone recovered from schistosomiasis - completely different after cure, 10 x more energy, massive increase in stamina, reduced blood pressure, no headaches and more - all of which are of benefit to cycling, particularly if you've had it from birth and your body has adapted to living with low red blood count and consequent lack of oxygen
 
tredman said:
Bit different for me, but I have personal experience of someone recovered from schistosomiasis - completely different after cure, 10 x more energy, massive increase in stamina, reduced blood pressure, no headaches and more - all of which are of benefit to cycling, particularly if you've had it from birth and your body has adapted to living with low red blood count and consequent lack of oxygen
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I see what your saying.

Suppose that's one of the questions fundamental questions about him, is when did he get it? Now in fairness that's one they cant really answer, but as I said Sky are not helping as they wont produce his data results from before and after he had his treatment for any of the items you listed, as you say the benefits are clear, so any increase could be quite easily explained unless they were completely off the wall.
 
'kin hell. Barguil locked up and took out Geraint Thomas. into a telegraph pole. not seen him up yet either.
 
nimrod said:
'kin hell. Barguil locked up and took out Geraint Thomas. into a telegraph pole. not seen him up yet either.
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Thomas up and ok and only lost 30 secs.

on froome's bilharzia:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...e-battles-parasite-media-cars-expelled_230162

there have been continued questions (on various forums for instance) as to the full extent of this illness and supposed treatment lengths, medical veracity of sky comments etc. nothing new as I read all this back in 2013. always quite interesting.

that is the relevant period of the improvement which arguably has never been fully explained.

and this was the interpretation of where froomey sat in pecking order at sky from an interview with Brailsford in 2011. of course this may have been prior to completion of treatments he was on.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/inside-the-mind-of-dave-brailsford-2615
 
Interesting comment on the blood profile/passport, you'd have thought there would be a significant change after his treatment.
 
Sky have released some of Froome's power data to attempt to silence the rumours, however I haven't yet found a link to it or anything in depth apart from the BBC report.
 
5.78w/kg if you believe the correction for the oval rings.

6.12 uncorrected so nothing outrageous...for a potential GC winner in any case, mind boggling for the likes of you and me!

edit -for the Pierre St Martin climb
 
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