Giro d'Italia / Tour de France

[nimrod]

5.78w/kg if you believe the correction for the oval rings.

6.12 uncorrected so nothing outrageous...for a potential GC winner in any case, mind boggling for the likes of you and me!

edit -for the Pierre St Martin climb

by the look of it the data release isn't going to make a difference other than begging additional questions.

some of the riders have reported higher w/kg despite losing minutes. could be apples and pears but the speculation will continue - which is not really a surprise.

 

[Knockout Ned]

Think Gesink's was reported as higher, but yeah the data doesn't really prove or disprove much and speculation will always be there.

It's difficult to prove he's riding clean but maybe by releasing something they're at least trying to be open about it, maybe they think it's enough to quieten things down a little.

Looking forward to the d'Allos descent today!

 

[Donegal Wolf]

by the look of it the data release isn't going to make a difference other than begging additional questions.

some of the riders have reported higher w/kg despite losing minutes. could be apples and pears but the speculation will continue - which is not really a surprise.

Whats that saying "if you have explaining your losing"

Thats what Sky are doing at the minute and not a very good job of it either.

Heard Kimmage on the radio last night, said the press conference was a shambles.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...f-all-time-but-questions-remain-31394433.html

 

[Sniffer]

Van Garderen out
Posted at 14:11
It seemed like only a matter of time, but Tejay van Garderen has called it a day. It was getting painful to watch. But it's such a shame for the American, who was up in third in the GC and had far surpassed expectations in this year's Tour.

 

[Knockout Ned]

Gutted for him, all the hard work and in a decent position...then you get sick...

 

[thehistorymakers]

Contador falls of his bike!

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Thats Contador well and truly done.

Movistar had the numbers to have a go, Froome dealt with them comfortably.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Always was Donegal. Nobody is in the same league as Froome. When little Nibali started to escape in the Alps, Froome didn't even have to get off his saddle.
Please read this old story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ggle-Great-Britains-Tour-France-champion.html

 

[nimrod]

Always was Donegal. Nobody is in the same league as Froome. When little little Nibali started to escape in the Alps, Froome dodn't even have to get off his saddle.
Please read this old story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ggle-Great-Britains-Tour-France-champion.html

opcorn:

 

[Pompey Wolf]

Thing is it's different peaks for different riders. In the Vuelta last year Contador was stronger than Froome. Froome has based his whole year around this moment whereas Bertie is coming off the back of the Giro. I'll be honest, I thought both would be doable but clearly not and that's kind of reassuring to be honest.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Thing is it's different peaks for different riders. In the Vuelta last year Contador was stronger than Froome. Froome has based his whole year around this moment whereas Bertie is coming off the back of the Giro. I'll be honest, I thought both would be doable but clearly not and that's kind of reassuring to be honest.

Indeed David Walsh in an interview I heard last night said the same thing and there is a general belief that Contador is riding clean.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Of...vid_Walsh_on_Chris_Froome_and_Lance_Armstrong

It is in response to an interview Kimmage did with the same staiton the night before (I think you can hear the two here).

 

[Donegal Wolf]

opcorn:

Indeed you could lose a days work pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and the questions it raises in that article.

Highlights just how curiously tame the British press are regarding SKY, I could be wrong (I know I usually am), but I cant remember seeing a single article from a major media outlet that says hang on this is too good to be true, you would have though one of Murdoch's competitors would have gone to town on them but nothing from no-one.

For instance the mail article above which could have been a press release from SKY, this is the same organisation which tried to do a number on Mo Farah for missing 2 drugs tests yet no mention in this that Froome has missed 2 (like Farah he had genuine reasons), but you would have thought they would have thrown that in to stir the shit.

 

[visage]

Its very ofdd that the mail go to town on Mo Farah, but go easy on Chris Froome.

What could possibly be the difference?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Its very ofdd that the mail go to town on Mo Farah, but go easy on Chris Froome.

What could possibly be the difference?

That one of those two missed two drug tests and the other didn't, maybe?

 

[nimrod]

Indeed you could lose a days work pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and the questions it raises in that article.

Highlights just how curiously tame the British press are regarding SKY, I could be wrong (I know I usually am), but I cant remember seeing a single article from a major media outlet that says hang on this is too good to be true, you would have though one of Murdoch's competitors would have gone to town on them but nothing from no-one.

For instance the mail article above which could have been a press release from SKY, this is the same organisation which tried to do a number on Mo Farah for missing 2 drugs tests yet no mention in this that Froome has missed 2 (like Farah he had genuine reasons), but you would have thought they would have thrown that in to stir the $#@!.

agreed, it's not a serious newspaper on many levels. not worth commenting further

have you read anything from this site before? i found this brief analysis useful at least from a non-cyclist perspective
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/great-power-great-responsibility-less-power-greater-speeds/

so they seriously question the sky data, which may simply be adjustment error, but it's hardly going to take the heat out of the situation.

 

[Sniffer]

That one of those two missed two drug tests and the other didn't, maybe?

Incorrect.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Incorrect.

Oh, I see what you mean.
"UK Anti-Doping decided Farah was guilty of “negligence” rather than the more serious offence of evasion after accepting his explanation that he failed to hear the doorbell of his three-bed house while in his bedroom."

 

[Donegal Wolf]

agreed, it's not a serious newspaper on many levels. not worth commenting further

have you read anything from this site before? i found this brief analysis useful at least from a non-cyclist perspective
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/great-power-great-responsibility-less-power-greater-speeds/

so they seriously question the sky data, which may simply be adjustment error, but it's hardly going to take the heat out of the situation.

No I haven't that's looks an excellent site thanks for that, heard Tucker on the radio this week earlier in the tour and he came across well, tried to be balanced with his thoughts. Brailsford dismissed him as puesdo-scientist when he produced figures about Froome's power output in 2013, when the leaked/hacked data came out last week, his numbers were not just close but bang on.

Indeed for a company which made its money on the release of information, and a team which says its success is down to marginal gains brought about by its extreme attention to even the smallest detail, to then give out half-arsed information without context/comparison and easy to contradict is baffling.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Afternoon all. I am back from the naughty step and have been trying to keep up from the furnace otherwise known as the algarve. As I see it Sky are damn ed if they do and damn ed if they don't. Firstly, it can be pretty much taken as read that proving a negative is going to be virtually impossible. The nearest they could get would be to release all their information but that then gives all the stuff that they allege has made the difference to all the other teams. It would be like Mercedes giving all their engine and aerodynamic info to ferrari. Therefore there will always be doubts and insinuations.

 

[thehistorymakers]

The Sky team just watched as Contador stepped up another gear. You just know Sky will come back at him. Welcome back Paddy.