England World Cup Squad

[GLASGOWOLF]

thank fuck that shit is over back to real football now roll on friday

I thought the week was good for England

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Paddy i.know your not English and supportt Wales but FFS get a grip if it was wales even.i would say it was never a pen and i would stick pins in my eyes rather than see Wales win

* awaiting pins*

 

[Lupo]

Went to shit after Henderson came on...

Conversely I felt Italy were far better with the introduction of Chiesa and Bellotti. Immobile is wank (at international level).

 

[jd1981]

Reality is England should have had the game won by the time the penalty was given. England have played some decent stuff this week against 2 sides who are of better quality than 2 of the sides we’ll play in the World Cup.

 

[Tony Towner]

VAR will kill football as we know it. It's an abomination

 

[AndyWolves]

I was once told if you go looking for trouble you'll find it. Var is looking for everything. It will find something wrong every time. If that's the system, smarten up and play it. Kick the ball at players arms to get handball decisions. If it gets referred, you get the penalty. If you see two players run straight at them. If they make contact, appeal, it gets referred you get the penalty. Seriously, we could end up with as many penalties as free kicks if we stick with the standard applied to this evenings penalty. It sucked.

Hyperbole much?

It was a foul, tarkowski stood on his foot.

Accidental, on his way down, whatever - he stood on his foot

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Hyperbole much?

It was a foul, tarkowski stood on his foot.

Accidental, on his way down, whatever - he stood on his foot

Not every bit of contact is a foul.
He has not even making a fucking tackle.
If thats a foul time to put an end to football

 

[jd1981]

Matter of fact or if the ref has made a howler fair enough, but looking at this forum highlights the problem probably 50/50 for that decision. Replacing controversy with longer controversy.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Matter of fact or if the ref has made a howler fair enough, but looking at this forum highlights the problem probably 50/50 for that decision. Replacing controversy with longer controversy.

The one thing most will agree with ut has to be clear and obvious error and it was not

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I thought on the whole we looked better tonight than we did on Friday, but then again could and probably should have been 3-0 down after 15 minutes.

I don't see the benefit of having Walker at CH at all, the LWB position is a problem as Rose looks well short of where he was a couple of years ago and Young is not the answer at all (is Bertrand injured? Not had a great season anyway and Shaw will probably be left kicking his heels for the rest of the season). We've got nothing in CM, just the bog standard two sitting players and then it's merely a case of leaving out obvious weak links (Henderson/Livermore). The front three has looked decent enough in both games so that's something, and we are looking to keep the ball even if it mostly leads to sterile possession going nowhere fast.

Panama are dogshit and Tunisia aren't much better so we really should be getting through the group, hard to see how we go any further though. I can't be too encouraged by what I've seen in the last two games, it's the kind of showing that might look ok 18 months out from a tournament, not 11 weeks or so.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It's a foul. Take the rose tinted glasses off.

 

[StuardoWulf]

I thought the week was good for England

It was but it was friendless, no jeopardy we will be the same as normal shit in Russia

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[Deleted Cyber]

Chim Chiminy Chiminey chim chim charoo
These are the things VAR should see through
Hand of god , lampards Shot crossing the line
Clear and obvious every time.

 

[b3h]

I actually watched some last night. Walker looked good from that position, although I feel it's a waste as he's better than Trippier as a RWB. Don't really get why Southgate is doing it.

Young at LWB has to stop. The man cannot use his left foot ffs! Massive for the opposing team knowing limits like that

 

[The Saturday Boy]

VAR will kill football as we know it. It's an abomination

Agree. I have never agreed with it - although my reasons were that it would remove a talking point post match and it seems not to have done so, instead of debating whether the referee was wrong, we're debating whether the VAR system is wrong.

The rules appear to be "clear and obvious" so if they are going to have it then the ref should have a very short time to review the decision because if it is clear and obvious....it is clear and obvious.

 

[Carrotdude]

Is it not meant to be clear and obvious that a decision is wrong? Like in the nfl and Cricket if there isn’t conclusive proof that a decision was wrong then it won’t get overturned.

VAR is pretty shit it seems but it would have been useful for that blatant snodgrass handball the other week, for example. Imo that’s the kind of decision it should be there to make.

 

[Johnny75]

All this opposition for a system which is still on trial. As for killing football, that's hyperbolic nonsense. The same type of shit has been espoused for years about goalline tech, the back pass rule, substitutions and the offside rule.

It's just people's resistance to change. Whether you think it the decision was tight or wrong in the game the argument that the referee did not get it wrong according to the rules is a good thing. Missing handball's, goals not going in and blatant dives are all going to be eventually eliminated by VAR and that can only be a good thing, unless people think cheating to win is a good thing.

 

[Kenny]

All this opposition for a system which is still on trial. .

My biggest issue is the fact it is still a trial and yet it is going to be used in a World Cup in a few months.
Everytime I have seen it used there has been no progression on it. People are still in the dark about what is happening and why the decisions have been made etc. Last nights shouldn't have even been reviewed IMO, as the ref was looking directly at it and if 3 refs watched that back, 1 of them would have said no penalty. It was used well to look at the moving ball query in our goal but again it was all muddled. It seemed only Kyle Walker had any clue it was being looked at. All that needs sorting before dropping it into the biggest football tournament. VAR is going to cause a lot of headaches and issues in Russia if it appears in its current state.

 

[Johnny75]

I agree it is not being used right. I have absolutely no idea why they are not using the tried and tested system in rugby where a 4th official is mic'd up and tells the referee and commentators when they are alerted by something in live play. That way it can be reviewed by everybody in the stadium at the same time.

It smacks of FIFA wanting to do something different and they are getting it wrong right now.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Is it not meant to be clear and obvious that a decision is wrong? Like in the nfl and Cricket if there isn’t conclusive proof that a decision was wrong then it won’t get overturned.

VAR is pretty shit it seems but it would have been useful for that blatant snodgrass handball the other week, for example. Imo that’s the kind of decision it should be there to make.

But in cricket and NFL “clear and obvious” is because you can’t actually tell whether the ball hit the floor, ball crossed the plane etc. So you have to guess. So they don’t guess, they go with the ruling on field.

The ref watched the video, and deemed treading on his foot a penalty. There is no debate there. You could see clearly what happened. The ref felt that was a penalty so gave it. Your issue isn’t with VAR, it’s with the ruling itself.

The decision was also made pretty quick. Didn’t seem long and I’m pretty sure the player was still on the floor getting treatment.