Coronavirus

[Wilf Wolf]

The big obvious one here, as EP has said, is people being overweight.

The pressure obese and overweight people put on the NHS with their associated ailments is absolutely huge. Do they have an obligation not to eat so much, I'm not overweight, why are their choices impacting on my freedom to get timely healthcare?

Should we ban fat people from eating fast food? Or exclude them from society altogether? After all, the evidence is out there for people to see how damaging to health their health it is, yet they carry on regardless!

I don’t disagree but the major difference is that the NHS has been geared up for years to deal with a steady stream of fat people needing NHS services. The NHS was already stretched because of such issues, the difference with Covid is the surge of people entering hospital in a very short space of time. Incidentally I bet most fat people would happily have a jab if it helped them lose weight, but sadly that isn’t the case.

 

[AndyWolves]

Vitamin D supplements for all would be a relatively cheap way of boosting immune systems

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don’t disagree but the major difference is that the NHS has been geared up for years to deal with a steady stream of fat people needing NHS services. The NHS was already stretched because of such issues, the difference with Covid is the surge of people entering hospital in a very short space of time. Incidentally I bet most fat people would happily have a jab if it helped them lose weight, but sadly that isn’t the case.

I'm sorry mate, i think that's a really weak argument.

If we are taking away the freedoms of those who choose not to be vaccinated, we should look at those who self harm (smokers, fatties etc) and treat them similarly too.

Not that i think we should take the freedoms of anyone away!

Most fat people could just stop eating as much, and/or exercise more to be less fat, they choose not to (on the whole) it is their choice, just as it is the anti-vaxxers.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Non of the examples have a convenient solution do they that a vaccine offers.

All of the rest have complex social issues surrounding them, I'm sure if there was an injection to prevent obesity that would be welcomed by all.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

I'm sorry mate, i think that's a really weak argument.

If we are taking away the freedoms of those who choose not to be vaccinated, we should look at those who self harm (smokers, fatties etc) and treat them similarly too.

Not that i think we should take the freedoms of anyone away!

Most fat people could just stop eating as much, and/or exercise more to be less fat, they choose not to (on the whole) it is their choice, just as it is the anti-vaxxers.

I agree but circumstances demand we do something.

As for losing weight, if only it was that easy. I think you’ll find the majority of overweight people would like to lose weight and suggesting it is simply a case of not eating I’d rather simplistic to say the least.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Non of the examples have a convenient solution do they that a vaccine offers.

All of the rest have complex social issues surrounding them, I'm sure if there was an injection to prevent obesity that would be welcomed by all.

The anti vaxxers don't believe that injecting themselves is a convenient solution either though do they? I disagree with them, but it's their choice to hold that opinion, they shouldn't be punished for that any more than someone should for choosing to eat 15 Big Macs a day, which i also totally disagree with.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

For the majority of people it is as simple as burning more calories than you consume to lose weight.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

For the majority of people it is as simple as burning more calories than you consume to lose weight.

The equation is indeed simple but achieving said simplicity is much less simple. If it was do you really think there would be so many fat people in society desperate to lose weight?

 

[WolfMan]

Non of the examples have a convenient solution do they that a vaccine offers.

All of the rest have complex social issues surrounding them, I'm sure if there was an injection to prevent obesity that would be welcomed by all.

This is the thing though, there are complex social reasons why people refuse the covid vaccine too.

It would be exactly the same if there was an obesity injection. As with the covid vaccine, a small minority would refuse it.

It just opens a huge can of worms, for the state to intervene in that way. It's not inconceivable there will be an injection for obesity at some point in the near future. Should the state mandate everyone has it? Then everyone has bodies that align with the states wishes, on the grounds of public health. It's just dystopian IMO.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The anti vaxxers don't believe that injecting themselves is a convenient solution either though do they? I disagree with them, but it's their choice to hold that opinion, they shouldn't be punished for that any more than someone should for choosing to eat 15 Big Macs a day, which i also totally disagree with.

I’m not sure what anti-vaxxers rationale is, but I suspect in most cases it isn’t rational!

 

[WolfMan]

I’m not sure what anti-vaxxers rationale is, but I suspect in most cases it isn’t rational!

It's not rational to eat so much if you want to lose weight either, but people still do it. Humans are not rational creatures on the whole

 

[Wilf Wolf]

It's not rational to eat so much if you want to lose weight either, but people still do it. Humans are not rational creatures on the whole

Humans are still evolving from a time when we were much closer to wild animals which generally eat what is available and having some fat reserves is a good thing. Nowadays high calorie food is readily available and we haven’t evolved to cope with that. Speak to some overweight people and ask them why they’re fat if it’s so easy to lose weight?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The equation is indeed simple but achieving said simplicity is much less simple. If it was do you really think there would be so many fat people in society desperate to lose weight?

But that's the word isn't it? Society.

It's actually more socially acceptable to be fat now than it ever has been isn't it? Which is part of the problem.

I say this as someone who has been overweight for the majority of my life, but as soon as i REALLY wanted to lose weight, i did. Like a lot of things in life (smoking being another) if you want it enough you can do it. (there are exceptions of course, but i do think it really is as simple as that)

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Humans are still evolving from a time when we were much closer to wild animals which generally eat what is available and having some fat reserves is a good thing. Nowadays high calorie food is readily available and we haven’t evolved to cope with that. Speak to some overweight people and ask them why they’re fat if it’s so easy to lose weight?

Because they are choosing to eat/drink more calories than they burn, that is the reason.

There is literally no other answer. (except for the odd medical exception)

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Because they are choosing to eat/drink more calories than they burn, that is the reason.

There is literally no other answer. (except for the odd medical exception)

As I said I know that and we’ll have to agree to disagree how easy it is for overweight people to lose weight.

 

[WolfMan]

Humans are still evolving from a time when we were much closer to wild animals which generally eat what is available and having some fat reserves is a good thing. Nowadays high calorie food is readily available and we haven’t evolved to cope with that. Speak to some overweight people and ask them why they’re fat if it’s so easy to lose weight?

I agree with you. It's incredibly hard to lose weight.

Speak to some anti vaxers and you'll find to them it's not easy to accept the vaccine, that's my point.

There are just less anti vaxers than there are fat people, so they are regarded more as "other". The principles are exactly the same, IMO.

For clarity I'm fully vaccinated and believe everybody should be, it's just the principle of it all.

 

[Sniffer]

I'm glad that finally, recognition of medical problems related to being overweight is being acknowledged. It isn't the odd medical exemption either. Access to being able to purchase healthy foods due to poverty seems to be ignored too.

I'll have to remember that because i'm overweight some folk on here will look down on me without question whereas people who haven't had vaccines will get a free pass on the basis that they aren't fat and there isn't a stamp on their heads identifying them.

 

[Tredman]

I agree with you. It's incredibly hard to lose weight.

I was of that opinion for years, when I finally took action it wasn't difficult - getting started, as with most things, is the hard part.

Edit - YMMV obvs

 

[WolfMan]

I'm glad that finally, recognition of medical problems related to being overweight is being acknowledged. It isn't the odd medical exemption either. Access to being able to purchase healthy foods due to poverty seems to be ignored too.

I'll have to remember that because i'm overweight some folk on here will look down on me without question whereas people who haven't had vaccines will get a free pass on the basis that they aren't fat and there isn't a stamp on their heads identifying them.

You've totally missed my point (if that was aimed at me)

 

[WolfMan]

I was of that opinion for years, when I finally took action it wasn't difficult - getting started, as with most things, is the hard part.

Edit - YMMV obvs

I've yo-yo'd over the years and I find it incredibly hard to he honest. Not so much the losing, it's maintaing it.