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You're completely ignoring my point about why those bad choices are made!
No, i have said a fair few times that there will be people who have reasons, but i 100% stand by my assertion that the majority of people are overweight because they choose to be.
 
So I guess your answer to getting people to stop being fat is more body shaming on those who are overweight.

Perhaps we could have a fattys only section at the buffet, a place for the overweight to sit on the bus even? refuse them service at Greggs? After all its only because society is telling them its acceptable why they are fat
 
Obesity being more prevalent with lower incomes has been shown to be true, not just in the UK but the US as well.

A myriad of socio-economic factors – including income, housing, education, access to space, exposure to advertising and sale of unhealthy foods – impact upon whether we can be active or eat healthily and thus ultimately our risk of developing obesity. The predominant driver of all of these factors is what we eat, which in turn is shaped by our food environment, and we need to understand how this plays a key role in driving health inequalities between people living in advantaged and disadvantaged circumstances. For example, for one in five people in England, who are living in poverty, eating healthy food is secondary to eating at all.

Access to healthy food should be a right and not a privilege.

The impact of deprivation on obesity rates is deeply concerning, with adults in the most deprived regions having almost double the prevalence of obesity compared with the least deprived (36% compared with 20%). The effect of deprivation upon childhood obesity is even more alarming. In 2018/19, the prevalence of obesity in children aged 10–11 was 27% in the most deprived areas and 13% in the least deprived areas. The gap in obesity prevalence between children from the most deprived and least deprived areas is stark and growing, with an increase from 8.5% in 2006/7 to 13.9% in 2018/19.

It is clear that socio-economic factors such as under-employment or poverty play a key role in driving obesity and poor health, and that a whole-government approach is critical in order to reduce health inequalities and obesity rates.
 
So I guess your answer to getting people to stop being fat is more body shaming on those who are overweight.

Perhaps we could have a fattys only section at the buffet, a place for the overweight to sit on the bus even? refuse them service at Greggs? After all its only because society is telling them its acceptable why they are fat
Yeah that's what i said!

Nice one. (y)

People like yourself claiming that there is no blame to be attached to overweight people at all is a huge part of the problem, as it just continues to make people just shrug and think "meh".

A doctor shouldn't be hesitant about telling a patient they need to lose some weight, a parent shouldn't worry about having to tell their child that they need to do some more exercise or that they should eat less chocolate.

We have no problem telling smokers they shouldn't smoke, or that anti vaxxers are morons for not having a jab, but it seems it's heresy to be critical of those that are overweight, which was my original point, the hypocrisy.

I have no problem with people choosing to eat too much, to drink too much, or to smoke, and i don't believe you do either, but you have an issue with people choosing not to have the jab, that's hypocrisy to me.
 
Obesity being more prevalent with lower incomes has been shown to be true, not just in the UK but the US as well.


Right, so you also think that the majority of people have no choice in the matter too? It's totally not their fault that they are overweight? Really is that where we are?
 
So I guess your answer to getting people to stop being fat is more body shaming on those who are overweight.

Perhaps we could have a fattys only section at the buffet, a place for the overweight to sit on the bus even? refuse them service at Greggs? After all its only because society is telling them its acceptable why they are fat

So you agree all that would be wrong, but you'd happily put in place measures that would have the same effect on unvaccinated people?
 
No, i have said a fair few times that there will be people who have reasons, but i 100% stand by my assertion that the majority of people are overweight because they choose to be.
And I stand by my point that you a wider of the mark than a Traore long shot. As you are willfully choosing to dismiss other significant factors being presented to you I probably won't bother engaging any further.
 
Right, so you also think that the majority of people have no choice in the matter too? It's totally not their fault that they are overweight? Really is that where we are?
I never said any of that.

I just posted the numbers on it as I've heard the link before. Being more likely to happen for numerous reasons doesn't mean people aren't devoid of responsibility either.
 
So you agree all that would be wrong, but you'd happily put in place measures that would have the same effect on unvaccinated people?
No, as its very different issues. I don't believe that there is a harmless injection that would solve obesity, yet there is with coronovirus.

Feck it I'm out, just going round in circles with some really odd points.
 
And I stand by my point that you a wider of the mark than a Traore long shot. As you are willfully choosing to dismiss other significant factors being presented to you I probably won't bother engaging any further.

I think you need to re read my posts mate, you are drawing a conclusion based on assumption rather than what i have written.

But i'm not "willingly choosing to dismiss" anything.

I am saying that there will be people who are effected by external factors, i've said that in every post since the start of this conversation.

I think the majority of people have a choice in the matter though, and it's incredibly dangerous if we are making excuses for everyone who is overweight, it legitimises it, and makes it more and more acceptable and makes it more and more likely.
 
No, as its very different issues. I don't believe that there is a harmless injection that would solve obesity, yet there is with coronovirus.

Feck it I'm out, just going round in circles with some really odd points.
The thing is, the anti vaxxers don't believe it is harmless do they.

And the only odd point is you claiming that all fat people have no choice!
 
So in summary, the argument is:

Obese people put massive pressure on the NHS

You can't exclude overweight people from society because the societal reasons they are overweight are complex!

Unvaccinated people put massive pressure on the NHS
Their reasons aren't valid

I posted this before:

How about we just don't exclude anyone from society?
 
Obese people don’t kill others and whilst a big burden on the NHS it has evolved to cope with it. The NHS is close to being overwhelmed so we need to do something or the collateral damage down the line of avoidable deaths from things such as cancer will snowball. That being the case I’d take measures to prioritise those that have tried to help themselves and others by getting vaccinated.
 
So I guess your answer to getting people to stop being fat is more body shaming on those who are overweight.

Perhaps we could have a fattys only section at the buffet, a place for the overweight to sit on the bus even? refuse them service at Greggs? After all its only because society is telling them its acceptable why they are fat
I certainly think the current century's obsession with inclusivity, and the outlawing of anything that might possibly cause offence to anyone has resulted in figures that would have been thought of as circus freaks fifty years ago now becoming almost the standard British silhouette. I know you were being sarcastic, but imo you've actually hit the nail on the head. I got called fatso at school, and I'm not sorry I did.
 
I certainly think the current century's obsession with inclusivity, and the outlawing of anything that might possibly cause offence to anyone has resulted in figures that would have been thought of as circus freaks fifty years ago now becoming almost the standard British silhouette. I know you were being sarcastic, but imo you've actually hit the nail on the head. I got called fatso at school, and I'm not sorry I did.
I got to call people at school fatty and my how the tide has turned.

It would be true to say that most of those suggestions are hopeful aspirations to help motivate me.
 
I got to call people at school fatty and my how the tide has turned.

It would be true to say that most of those suggestions are hopeful aspirations to help motivate me.
I blame Simon Cowell. This country hasn't been the same since Michelle McManus won X-factor.
 
Obese people don’t kill others and whilst a big burden on the NHS it has evolved to cope with it. The NHS is close to being overwhelmed so we need to do something or the collateral damage down the line of avoidable deaths from things such as cancer will snowball. That being the case I’d take measures to prioritise those that have tried to help themselves and others by getting vaccinated.

Neither do the unvaccinated. It's the virus that kills people. I'm sure many people don't have their flu jab religiously every year, it doesn't mean they are murderers does it?

The vaccine doesn't even stop you from getting it and passing it on anyway! There's evidence coming out now the delta variant is just as transmissible regardless of vaccination. The main benefit is that it reduces the likelihood of ending up in hospital seriously ill.

The chances of catching the virus and dying from it by being exposed to an unvaccinated person as a vaccinated person, where that wouldn't have happened anyway, are really very small. You could vaccinate 100% of the population and there will still be huge case numbers every year, it's just not going away whatever we do.
 
What was originally “just the flu” became a horror. It still is pretty damn bad. But it will actually eventually become “just the flu” in the way we end up living with it. It’s in and it’s not going away so massive restrictions have now become redundant unless you fancy effective house arrest for the rest of your life.
 
Booster booking open to 40+ on NHS website now.
 
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