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[Tredman]

I've yo-yo'd over the years and I find it incredibly hard to he honest. Not so much the losing, it's maintaing it.

I was obese pretty much my whole adult life, have managed to maintain for coming up to a year now. Its like an addiction and you can't take your eye off it for a minute. Needs to be a lot more help available for people to realise they can do it though.

 

[WolfMan]

I was obese pretty much my whole adult life, have managed to maintain for coming up to a year now. Its like an addiction and you can't take your eye off it for a minute. Needs to be a lot more help available for people to realise they can do it though.

That's good mate, I used to be obese when I was in my teens and early twenties - alot of it was self esteem related looking back, it's comforting to eat isn't it. Then it's a bit of a vicious circle as you don't feel great, so you eat.

I weigh myself quite regularly now and if I hit a certain figure, I'll have a bit of a health kick to bring it down, that seems to have worked quite well for me over the years.

I'm in awe of my wife, she lost quite alot of weight and has managed to keep it off. The margins of error for women in general are so small compared to men. Think she's allowed something like 1600 calories a day just to stay at what she is, which is nothing really.

 

[machin05]

Poverty plays an absolutely huge role in obesity too. Scarcity mentality is extremely controlling. Its not a case of just eating less and making wise choices.

Solve poverty and you solve a huge proportion of the obesity crisis.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

The anti vaxxers don't believe that injecting themselves is a convenient solution either though do they? I disagree with them, but it's their choice to hold that opinion, they shouldn't be punished for that any more than someone should for choosing to eat 15 Big Macs a day, which i also totally disagree with.

Yes, but it is a choice and belief based on misinformation, just because someone believes something doesn't give them any credence to their belief, they are still are wrong. If that belief causes harm to others then society should intervene.

It would be comparable to people saying Asbestos is fine and I insist on using it, or for instance people refusing to wear PPE because they don't believe in it. We don't let people do this so there really is very little difference

For the majority of people it is as simple as burning more calories than you consume to lose weight.

It isn't, it really isn't. Obesity is closely linked to many factors one of them being social demographic amongst others.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Poverty plays an absolutely huge role in obesity too. Scarcity mentality is extremely controlling. Its not a case of just eating less and making wise choices.

Solve poverty and you solve a huge proportion of the obesity crisis.

Not sure this makes sense, logically.

If this was true then the countries with the highest levels of poverty would have the highest levels of obesity, they don't.

A big reason obesity is such a problem in this country and the US is because it's becoming more socially acceptable to be overweight, as posts like this above prove.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Yes, but it is a choice and belief based on misinformation, just because someone believes something doesn't give them any credence to their belief, they are still are wrong. If that belief causes harm to others then society should intervene.

You believe that eating more calories than you consume isn't the reason the vast majority of people are obese, that is misinformation in itself.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

A big reason obesity is such a problem in this country and the US is because it's becoming more socially acceptable to be overweight, as posts like this above prove.

Thats an incredibly short sighted assessment of the obesity problem

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Thats an incredibly short sighted assessment of the obesity problem

No, it's an incredibly logical assessment.

There will be people who will have external issues that effect what they eat.

But the MAJORITY choose to eat more calories than they consume, you are debating that, and i'm amazed you are.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

You believe that eating more calories than you consume isn't the reason the vast majority of people are obese, that is misinformation in itself.

Eating more calaries than your body uses is the reason the body stores fat - the reason behind why people consume more claories than they consume are much more different.

To use the same logic you could attribute all deaths from Covid to patients stopping breathing but ignore the fact that Covid was the causation.

 

[machin05]

Not sure this makes sense, logically.

If this was true then the countries with the highest levels of poverty would have the highest levels of obesity, they don't.

A big reason obesity is such a problem in this country and the US is because it's becoming more socially acceptable to be overweight, as posts like this above prove.

Well, that's oversimplifing it a tad! There are a whole host of other factors at play. Poor countries won't have the same societal pressures and easy access to junk food and bad choices that we have in this country. Scarcity mindset/mentality is absolutely a thing. And not just with regards to food choices.

I found this interesting - https://www.ted.com/talks/rutger_br...k_of_character_it_s_a_lack_of_cash/transcript

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So the majority of people have no choice that they are overweight? Is that seriously what you are saying?

 

[WolfMan]

Not sure this makes sense, logically.

If this was true then the countries with the highest levels of poverty would have the highest levels of obesity, they don't.

A big reason obesity is such a problem in this country and the US is because it's becoming more socially acceptable to be overweight, as posts like this above prove.

If you break it down by highest levels of poverty in the UK though I'm fairly sure the obesity levels track it. The middle and upper classes in the UK are alot less likely to be obese.

Like the vaccine there are alot of issues at play.

 

[Tredman]

I get Machin's point - people are overweight because they eat too much, but the cause of that is very complex. A great deal of that is down to self-esteem and self-worth in lots of people.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Well, that's oversimplifing it a tad! There are a whole host of other factors at play. Poor countries won't have the same societal pressures and easy access to junk food and bad choices that we have in this country. Scarcity mindset/mentality is absolutely a thing. And not just with regards to food choices.

I found this interesting - https://www.ted.com/talks/rutger_br...k_of_character_it_s_a_lack_of_cash/transcript

Yeah, exactly! Bad choices!! People choose to make those choices, it is an option!

I think you two are proving my point for me, it IS far more socially acceptable to be overweight than it used to be, therefore people are less obliged to do anything about it, as they can make excuses for it.

Thanks.

 

[WolfMan]

Women living in poverty hit worst by obesity crisis, report finds

King’s Fund warns that tackling inequality is vital to reverse increasing obesity in deprived areas – damaging life chances particularly for women and children

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tony Towner]

Processed food is a lot cheaper than fresh, healthy stuff. If your budget is tight you can eat unhealthily for cheaper than well

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Processed food is a lot cheaper than fresh, healthy stuff. If your budget is tight you can eat unhealthier for cheaper than well

I get that, but you still don't need to eat so much of it it makes you obese!

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Processed food is a lot cheaper than fresh, healthy stuff. If your budget is tight you can eat unhealthily for cheaper than well

This isn't necessarily true in all cases either, a bag of carrots is 40p, potatoes are cheap, bananas are too.

Yeah it's easy to buy a bag of frozen chips and frozen chicken nuggetts, but you can get a lot of veg for the same amount of money too.

 

[WolfMan]

If you've got an otherwise poverty stricken and miserable life it's understandable to want to derive at least a little bit of pleasure from somewhere.

There's also the issue that both parents invariably work in less well off communities so there's less time/energy to spend on cooking from fresh etc.

 

[machin05]

Yeah, exactly! Bad choices!! People choose to make those choices, it is an option!

I think you two are proving my point for me, it IS far more socially acceptable to be overweight than it used to be, therefore people are less obliged to do anything about it, as they can make excuses for it.

Thanks.

You're completely ignoring my point about why those bad choices are made!