Coronavirus

[Templeton Peck]

If the evidence points overwhelmingly to certain groups being at risk of death then plan to isolate them or facilitate self isolation immediately and be open and honest that for anybody else you may be faced with feeling like shit for a few days but in the meantime take every precaution possible. Forget closing schools and mass gatherings just let the virus take it's course and fucking accept there may be shit times ahead which will be made far worse by closing the world down.

All the evidence is that social distancing works to slow the spread. If we're not careful there will come a point where we are overwhelmed. We've already fannied about too much.

 

[Kenny]

From the Times which is breaking the story

All football matches in England will be played behind closed doors under government plans to combat coronavirus that could be triggered as early as today.

A meeting of the government’s Cobra committee this morning is expected to move its response to the pandemic from the “contain” phase to the “delay” phase. That will result in a crisis plan being unveiled for football. The Times can reveal:

● The current season will not be postponed and instead matches in the Premier League and lower divisions will be moved behind closed doors;

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes;

● No games will be shown in pubs so as to avoid congregation of people;

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● Premier League games will not be shown live in the 3pm slot on Saturday afternoons;

● Broadcasters will be permitted to screen more than one Premier League game during both the lunchtime and tea-time television slots on Saturday, and the scheduled slots on Sundays and Mondays; and

● Season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games at Football League clubs will be allowed to watch matches on iFollow streams.

The plan may be implemented once the number of UK coronavirus cases passes 500. Last night it stood at 460.

The dramatic moves are seen as the only potential way to end the present season in light of the growing coronavirus crisis in England and the growing possibility of the country being moved to the delay phase.

The government has been in discussion with the Premier League, the Football League and the Football Association about what can be done. The uncertainty over how the virus will develop and how long it will last are seen as reasons why English football will not be temporarily postponed. The forthcoming Euros also present a problem to the Premier League as to when this season would actually finish and how it could impact upon future campaigns.

Fans set off flares last night as PSG played Dortmund behind closed doors
Fans set off flares last night as PSG played Dortmund behind closed doors
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Sporting integrity has been cited as a major factor in moving against the possibility of cancelling the season outright, although smaller clubs who are more reliant on gate receipts are worried about the financial implications of matches without ticket sales.

However, there are huge penalty clauses in the Premier League broadcasting contracts if the season was terminated rather than played to a conclusion. These would run into hundreds of millions of pounds for the Premier League and would most likely have to be passed onto the clubs, or alternatively would be clawed back by removing things such as parachute payments.

That is what has led to the solution of moving games behind closed doors.

The Premier League has been the last major organisation in Europe to move towards ending spectator attendance at their games.

So far the government has followed medical advice that has insisted the congregation of large crowds at outdoor events is not dangerous. However, it is the close proximity of supporters travelling, especially on trains, that is now seen as the biggest threat.

Under the plans, pubs will be ordered not to show live coverage of matches and will be threatened with the loss of their licence if they fail to comply. It is thought this will be policed strongly because of the risk to health.

The present proposals are to broadcast every single Premier League game. Every season-ticket holder, or anyone who has a bought a ticket for a game would get a free stream. Clubs would then be able to sell streams for their games to fans as well. Even given the extraordinary nature of the times, there is still a desire not to set a precedent by showing games live at 3pm on a Saturday, traditionally a protected slot to incentivise fans going to watch their local teams in person.

The Premier League has been in negotiations with the Football League to assure them that none of their games would be shown live at 3pm on a Saturday. Broadcasters would face less pressure in the unique environment to put matches directly up against other games. The solution would involve existing slots with potentially three games shown at the same time.

The decision by the Premier League to move all of their games away from the 3pm Saturday slot would allow the Football League to stream all of their matches at that time using the iFollow technology.

Most Football League clubs already have that technology installed to allow them to stream their games. Some clubs have their own streams but the technology is in place for every club to stream their games live.

Ticket-holders will have to settle for watching their teams on free TV streams
Ticket-holders will have to settle for watching their teams on free TV streams
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There is still concern, however, at Football League level, about the loss of matchday income which in some cases at that level constitutes two thirds of their annual income. Talks have taken place at government level about whether there is compensation available. The chancellor Rishi Sunak unveiled a £30 billion package to help the country get through the coronavirus in his budget yesterday but it is unknown if any of that will be put aside for struggling football clubs fearful of going bust.

Playing games behind closed doors is now seen as the least bad option. It means that existing fixture schedules can be completed across all of the four main leagues in England. Most English clubs have at least nine league matches to play, plus the remaining rounds of the FA Cup and Champions League.

As it stands only players, team officials, broadcasters and journalists would be allowed to attend games in England. A further complication however would be if infection was to spread between players. At that point it is thought that the Professional Footballers’ Association would say that the danger to their members would be too great and games would be cancelled.

At present the Bundesliga in Germany and Ligue One in France have already gone behind closed doors, and one Division Two footballer in Germany has tested positive for the virus.

The Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has voiced his concern about playing games without supporters in attendance. “Does football work without spectators?” he said. “If the people can’t come, there is no sense. We will follow what we have to do, but I wouldn’t like to do it without the people.

“The other issue you have to ask is: is it worse to play football without the spectators? We do our job for the people and if the people cannot come to watch us, there is no sense.

“I would not love to play matches in the Premier League or Champions League or the cups without the people, but we will follow the instructions of the government.”

Discussions have shown that all eventualities are fraught with difficulties, but it is seen as the only way ahead.

The 3pm stuff is ridiculous. Zero point sticking to that rule.

Presume local authorities will have to include a banned zone around the stadiums during game time or else there will be situations like at PSG & Valencia.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I quite like the idea of removing parachute payments to settle the compensation claims. Good luck Villa.

 

[Papper]

All the evidence is that social distancing works to slow the spread. If we're not careful there will come a point where we are overwhelmed. We've already fannied about too much.

It had little effect in the North of Italy. Nobody has a clue how many people have had it and recovered from it without it being listed as a coronavirus 'stat' and nobody has a clue exactly how contagious it is. The only certainty is that certain groups are at a far higher risk of death and others aren't.

 

[Papper]

You just haven’t got a clue.

Which by your logic suggests you do. Okay, how do you stop it and how do you prevent the vulnerable dying?

 

[Papper]

The 3pm stuff is ridiculous. Zero point sticking to that rule.

Presume local authorities will have to include a banned zone around the stadiums during game time or else there will be situations like at PSG & Valencia.

Okay so they'll all congregate at a mate's house to watch it with a few cans and then go to the boozer later. If one of them has it it then spreads to the mates who then go back to their familes etc etc . What a load of bollocks.

 

[Kenny]

Well 30000 wont get together will they. A small number of fucking idiots will and sadly, just like Coronavirus, there is no cure for stupidity.

 

[Derby Wolf]

If the evidence points overwhelmingly to certain groups being at risk of death then plan to isolate them or facilitate self isolation immediately and be open and honest that for anybody else you may be faced with feeling like shit for a few days but in the meantime take every precaution possible. Forget closing schools and mass gatherings just let the virus take it's course and fucking accept there may be shit times ahead which will be made far worse by closing the world down.

It's just too flawed, immuno-compromised are one of the groups at risk, how do the maintain their chemotherapy or whatever? Somebody from the outside would have to go in voiding your plan to isolate them.

You're advocating people to stop seeing parents/grandparents, it'd be the biggest displacement of families since the kindertransport.

 

[Templeton Peck]

It had little effect in the North of Italy. Nobody has a clue how many people have had it and recovered from it without it being listed as a coronavirus 'stat' and nobody has a clue exactly how contagious it is. The only certainty is that certain groups are at a far higher risk of death and others aren't.

Children aren't badly affected by it but they are carriers - reason enough to close schools. Nations that shut down quickly and aggressively have flattened the curve.

 

[Johnny75]

So much overblown panic and nonsense in this thread.

 

[Tredman]

So much overblown panic and nonsense in this thread.

How so? What is your take?

 

[playtheace]

As said above, nhs workers with kids...carers with kids... Who looks after their kids?

The tube, 2 million folks a day!! but we dont shut that?

The old and at risk must be protected (like they should for ANY other "non-named" seasonal virus that would do damage)
but the way things are going EVERYTHING will be shut down, the economy will collapse and civil disorder will break out..... end of days shit.

 

[Johnny75]

How so? What is your take?

having spoken to my Chinese supplier the Chinese have a handle on this, the virus has peaked and they are, in the main, under control with new cases down to single figures across a country with a billion citizens.

Now we may be following a curve of infection data and for the most part people are being sensible. Reading this thread you would think we are going into an apocalyptic situation. This is clearly overblown rubbish.

The infection rate is being kept low by sensible behaviour and much like any illness, if you feel rubbish the advice is to stay home. This has been the same since forever for any illness.

The media's 24 hour rolling misery isn't helping nor is the misinformation on social media. I listened to the R4 programme a few days ago and the experts saying that any response is too late and it was best to look for statistical choke points rather than blanket banning everything which helps nobody and just delays the virus spread. Like any flu type virus the statistical models vary and getting a handle on different strains is the key. It was fascinating stuff. The statistical website gives up to date stats on reported cases and they are pretty low for the UK in comparison to the population.

We have to be careful we do not give too much power to the hysterical and to date I think the government are doing a decent job. Locking down the country as has been advocated on here is nonsense and overblown panic.

 

[Tredman]

having spoken to my Chinese supplier the Chinese have a handle on this, the virus has peaked and they are, in the main, under control with new cases down to single figures across a country with a billion citizens.

Now we may be following a curve of infection data and for the most part people are being sensible. Reading this thread you would think we are going into an apocalyptic situation. This is clearly overblown rubbish.

The infection rate is being kept low by sensible behaviour and much like any illness, if you feel rubbish the advice is to stay home. This has been the same since forever for any illness.

The media's 24 hour rolling misery isn't helping nor is the misinformation on social media. I listened to the R4 programme a few days ago and the experts saying that any response is too late and it was best to look for statistical choke points rather than blanket banning everything which helps nobody and just delays the virus spread. Like any flu type virus the statistical models vary and getting a handle on different strains is the key. It was fascinating stuff. The statistical website gives up to date stats on reported cases and they are pretty low for the UK in comparison to the population.

We have to be careful we do not give too much power to the hysterical and to date I think the government are doing a decent job. Locking down the country as has been advocated on here is nonsense and overblown panic.

I agree with a lot of that, but I don’t think we can compare ourselves to China. We don’t have a society which will accept the measures they have used to control the virus there. We are perhaps more comparable with Italy, which is clearly a worry.

Most of my thought are based on this guy - https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser. I have followed him for a good while (partly as I still have an ongoing interest in development and HIV/Aids). He’s very level headed and very much an optimist. But he is concerned about how we are tackling this. And that worries me.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think clubs would give discounts from next years season ticket and refund those with single match ones rather than just streaming games. You are paying to see the action in person, if that's not possible then they are only offering a solution which was open to you anyway either legally if it's a tv game or illegally in the case of other streams. Take next week as an example, I can't see the club expecting me and my son to pay £37 to see a game which was already on BT Sport

 

[Johnny75]

I agree with a lot of that, but I don’t think we can compare ourselves to China. We don’t have a society which will accept the measures they have used to control the virus there. We are perhaps more comparable with Italy, which is clearly a worry.

Most of my thought are based on this guy - https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser. I have followed him for a good while (partly as I still have an ongoing interest in development and HIV/Aids). He’s very level headed and very much an optimist. But he is concerned about how we are tackling this. And that worries me.

Roser looks a decent read and undoubtedly his concerns are based on good data, albeit to very specific sections of the world and population.

Where we differ from Italy is our island status and our culture. I think it's Lupo on another thread who mentioned Italians aren't the best at keeping to rules but we in the U.K. are which is why I think we're dealing with it well.

 

[Tredman]

Roser looks a decent read and undoubtedly his concerns are based on good data, albeit to very specific sections of the world and population.

Where we differ from Italy is our island status and our culture. I think it's Lupo on another thread who mentioned Italians aren't the best at keeping to rules but we in the U.K. Are which is why I think we're dealing with it well.

We are certainly better, but do have a good number of idiots. I read the comments on the Wolves facebook page yesterday (working from home is getting very dull) and the amount of people commenting 'stay safe in Greece, I'm not risking it - gonna watch it in the pub' was astonishing.

 

[Johnny75]

We are certainly better, but do have a good number of idiots. I read the comments on the Wolves facebook page yesterday (working from home is getting very dull) and the amount of people commenting 'stay safe in Greece, I'm not risking it - gonna watch it in the pub' was astonishing.

Social media might be the one thing I'd blanket ban!

 

[Tredman]

Social media might be the one thing I'd blanket ban!

Naw, I'd have to do more actual work.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Listening to a virus expert the other night on the radio saying one of the big problems in Italy is that their now believe it was brought into the country in early January way before it was officially identified and could be tracked