Cardiff 2 -1 Wolves: The Pantwetting Verdict.

[Quirkafleeg]

We have a curse we need to exorcise. It's the Jota waiting to come on curse. The Cardiff goal just like Mooys free kick last week, both times Jota is waiting to come on. [emoji20]

 

[Dart wolves]

Any fucker wanting Nuno out can suck a dick.

:icon_lolon't mess about tell us what you really mean !!

 

[Alan]

I'm saying it now Jota and Cav against Chelsea. Adama back to the bench for you. You really are a poor footballer..

Adama is one of the few to come out with credit from that!

Cav and Adama on Wednesday, IMO.

 

[Alan]

Any fucker wanting Nuno out can suck a dick.

Not sure any here want him gone. I certainly don't, at least.

 

[Johnny75]

Adama is one of the few to come out with credit from that!

Cav and Adama on Wednesday, IMO.

Adama was a mixed bag but when he's shite he looks like a pub footballer. He's a super sub at best. Actively detrimental to a team who want to play further up the pitch but in a specific set of circumstances he's a good option.

I wouldn't be averse to serving him binned off in January and get a couple of better players in.

Costa and Raul were both atrocious too but aleast they have a brain.

 

[Alan]

Adama was a mixed bag but when he's shite he looks like a pub footballer. He's a super sub at best. Actively detrimental to a team who want to play further up the pitch but in a specific set of circumstances he's a good option.

I wouldn't be averse to serving him binned off in January and get a couple of better players in.

Costa and Raul were both atrocious too but aleast they have a brain.

What an odd thing to say.

Can you imagine the knives that would be out for Adama if he'd done what Raul did when through 1-on-1 against Huddersfield? Or if Adama was dispossessed with the regularity that Helder is?

And yet you still say that "they have a brain". Well maybe they should start using them because if they have brains and Adama doesn't, based on the past few weeks I'll take the brainless but effective one, thanks very much.

 

[Johnny75]

Not really odd, anybody that knows football knows you need a brain to play the game at the top level effectively. Adama has shown he doesn't have that at this point.

Raul clearly had a terrible game tonight all round but he did get an assist. Traore was a brain dead mess at times and I would sell him in January as I think he's just a liability for us at this time.

I wouldn't object to Costa being upgraded on either at the the current time, he's miles out of form at the moment.

 

[Premier Quality]

What an odd thing to say.

Can you imagine the knives that would be out for Adama if he'd done what Raul did when through 1-on-1 against Huddersfield? Or if Adama was dispossessed with the regularity that Helder is?

And yet you still say that "they have a brain". Well maybe they should start using it because if they have brains and Adama doesn't, based on the past few weeks I'll take the brainless but effective one, thanks very much.

Can you imagine if Adama had played like Helder did?

Adama makes more mistakes, but makes more opportunities. Costa doesn’t make many mistakes because he doesn’t do anything. He created absolutely nothing.

I think the summaries come down to whether people notice the mistakes or the opportunities.

 

[Deano]

Someone said earlier that Costa is a boy playing a man's game which is spot on at the moment. Far too easy to knock off the ball and goes missing completely for large spells. He's playing with 0 confidence so doesn't even bother trying to take anyone on and looks for a pass back.

 

[Alan]

The number of times that Costa received the ball with the beating of Manga, who he could give a head start and still outrun, and just slowed down and let Manga catch up and then tackle him was un-fucking-believable.

 

[Alan]

Can you imagine if Adama had played like Helder did?

Adama makes more mistakes, but makes more opportunities. Costa doesn’t make many mistakes because he doesn’t do anything. He created absolutely nothing.

I think the summaries come down to whether people notice the mistakes or the opportunities.

Maybe this is why I like Adama so much. He's always positive. He's always trying something. He doesn't always make it work, and sometimes it looks horrendous (just don't dribble straight into Manga FFS!), but he never shies away from his job. And when it works, my God is it good.

 

[Premier Quality]

Agreed - fucking try and do something. Don’t play it safe and achieve nothing at all. There was absolutely no point Helder being on that pitch today. Traore had a load of positives and a bunch of negatives, but he never stopped Trying to make something happen.

 

[Trips]

We are relegation fodder. Hopefully we can limp along and pick up a few points before the transfer window in Jan. Sign four or five quality players and go from there.

FFS get a grip. We're still 11th, the worst we can drop to this weekend is 12th. We're 7 points clear of the relegation zone despite picking up one point from a possible 18. Think you need to look at your defition of relegation fodder.

At the start of the season a lot of us said 8th-12th this season. And over a third of the way through the season look where we sit. We will get games where we over-perform (City, Arsenal etc) and then games when we're below par. The whole club is learning at this level. I trust that Nuno and the players will turn this around.

Relegation fodder is just pant-wetting of the highest order

 

[Penk Wolf]

Any fucker wanting Nuno out can suck a dick.

It’s not about wanting Nuno out, it’s about teams working out how we play and the type of football.

You really can’t just keep saying this is the way I play my football.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

FFS get a grip. We're still 11th, the worst we can drop to this weekend is 12th. We're 7 points clear of the relegation zone despite picking up one point from a possible 18. Think you need to look at your defition of relegation fodder.

At the start of the season a lot of us said 8th-12th this season. And over a third of the way through the season look where we sit. We will get games where we over-perform (City, Arsenal etc) and then games when we're below par. The whole club is learning at this level. I trust that Nuno and the players will turn this around.

Relegation fodder is just pant-wetting of the highest order

Best post of the night, this is where we are, we will have nights like this. We will also have nights where we take points off Chelsea or Liverpool.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It’s not about wanting Nuno out, it’s about teams working out how we play and the type of football.

You really can’t just keep saying this is the way I play my football.

I don't really buy into the narrative from Carra and Nev that our midfield was strangled today like it was at Huddersfield, tonight was more about how poor the front 3 were, lack of movement, lost the ball too easily, didnt hold it up and link they just were not effective.

The issue is clearly the front 3, we don't need to change shape, we need the front three to find form.

Swapping Traore and Raul with one another 4 or 5 times throughout the game did nothing to help us, I'm not sure what the thinking is with that, it hinders us.

 

[YoungWolf]

It’s not about wanting Nuno out, it’s about teams working out how we play and the type of football.

You really can’t just keep saying this is the way I play my football.

We didn't play the way we did against Huddersfield, or before that. In fact, stuck with our way and played our normal game I think we would have won.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I don't really buy into the narrative from Carra and Nev that our midfield was strangled today like it was at Huddersfield, tonight was more about how poor the front 3 were, lack of movement, lost the ball too easily, didnt hold it up and link they just were not effective.

The issue is clearly the front 3, we don't need to change shape, we need the front three to find form.

Swapping Traore and Raul with one another 4 or 5 times throughout the game did nothing to help us, I'm not sure what the thinking is with that, it hinders us.

Last night was completely different to Huddersfield.

Nuno did change his approach but for me it was to the detriment of the team, he abandoned any intention of playing football and lowered them to Cardiff's standard. That's why we had such a shit game of duking it out playing long ball percentage football, not sure why he thought that was a viable plan against a team who've been built for that sole purpose. I can remember McCarthy doing something similar against Stoke at least once, sprinkle a few big lads in and try to play them at their own game, it just isn't going to work as a one off against a team who've tailored their whole setup to that approach.

Last night was worse than Huddersfield.

 

[Johnny75]

We didn't play the way we did against Huddersfield, or before that. In fact, stuck with our way and played our normal game I think we would have won.

I think it's been some weeks since we've played our normal game. Nuno does need to get back to that and I agree with others that our front 3 are the biggest issue we have right now. That includes Marmite Adama.

I disagree with you that after 55 minutes we were poor. I thought we kept the ball better and got up the pitch as a unit better.

Mark is right in that going toe to toe with Cardiff and using pub tactics was a mistake on Nuno's part.

 

[Del Woppio]

We may well have decided to go long ball yesterday, but the problems were still the same. Midfield two too deep, IFs and centre forward far too far away from each other. Front three top far from midfield two. Wing backs given time wide as neither can cross. Pressed high and pushed deep. Flood the box on set pieces knowing we'll get beat to the second ball.

If all of that has been happening since Watford, regardless of whether we try short or long, then the shape is the only thing *left* to change