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Cardiff 2 -1 Wolves: The Pantwetting Verdict.

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For the next game

Patricio

Bennett coady Boly

Doherty MGW Mountinho Vinagre

Cavaliero Raul Jota

Show us what you can do.
 
I love MGW, but not a chance would I be starting those 2 in CM against Chelsea.

Perhaps:

Rui
Saisss - Coady - Boly
Doc - Dendonker - Moutinho - Vinagre
MGW - Jota
Traore/Raul
 
I love MGW, but not a chance would I be starting those 2 in CM against Chelsea.

Perhaps:

Rui
Saisss - Coady - Boly
Doc - Dendonker - Moutinho - Vinagre
MGW - Jota
Traore/Raul

MGW did quite well when he got put in as a forward last season, see no reason why he can't play either there or CM
 
MGW did quite well when he got put in as a forward last season, see no reason why he can't play either there or CM
It's not about him not being able to play CM, he can definitely play very well there. It's more the combination with Moutinho is not strong enough (same goes for Moutinho and Neves for me against the rougher teams).

I'd be happy playing MGW as an IF or as a 10 in a tweaked front 3.
 
The way Chelsea are setting up this season could cause big problems next time out.

Narrow front three will often end up man for man against the back three, extra man in midfield and some of their quick passing and interplay has been very very sharp.

Might actually be a game where yesterday's more direct approach could be beneficial as Chelsea have looked very ropey at the back so trying to get at them quickly could be a good option, possibly worth making it more 3412 than 343 so you've got someone to sit on Jorginho and make his life difficult.
 
Part of the problem for me is - in the champ and at the start of this season, everyone sat off us and retreated into their shape, which allowed us to play going forwards - we always had time to pick a forward pass. Now we’re being pressed, so whoever receives the ball has someone up just arse - and that’s any of the front five. So that means they either have to turn, which always has a decent chance of losing the ball - or lay it backwards to a supporting player, and play your way out with triangles (the ideal way).

The problem again is firstly that the front 3 are so far away from each other that they can’t do triangles at all, and that when we do lay it back, we’re then picking another pass into someone with an opposition player up his backside - and we’re just not good enough at dealing with it.

That, and our passing from the back when we’re pressed isn’t good enough - the number of times Saiss just humped it yesterday, and the amount of up in the air headers we did to clear (both from the back 3 and the centre mids) that it was really hard for any of our players to control the ball (as it was three to six foot in the air and they had Bamba/Manga/Morrison on them.

The lack of technique/ability in that situation is right - only really MGW that handles it well (his control is amazing - first touch, the ball is where he wants it and he’s already looking for a pass).

Nuno needs to focus really heavily on what we do when we’re pressed as it won’t stop until we have an answer. Play training games against 12 men, give the front 5 practice in what to do when a big lumps right on you - we have to improve on that aspect before we can get the space to play our ideal game.
 
On a positive note I thought Willy Bolly gave a majestic performance in a game that was unsuited to his qualities. It had everything and was World class in its application.
 
On a positive note I thought Willy Bolly gave a majestic performance in a game that was unsuited to his qualities. It had everything and was World class in its application.
Agreed..top defender
 
I'm going to write a wider piece on where we are but in terms of ratings:

Patricio: That's such a shite effort on the first goal. If he falls over he gets the free kick, if he goes right through Paterson then he'll never get a foul given against him, if he stays at home we might have dealt with it. Otherwise didn't look great under the high ball and his kicking is actually getting worse to the point that it's an active liability for us.

Saiss: It didn't really work for me, he looks uncomfortable on that side and he left Coady to cover when the ball got played into that channel (Cardiff weren't really good enough to exploit him being pulled out). Can't say that his distribution helped us as we didn't try to play any football anyway outside of a 3-4 minute period in the second half.

Coady: Standard performance really, at least we can rely on him at the moment.

Boly: Back to his best after a shocker against Huddersfield. Shame his team mates let him down so frequently. Must have been raging that he won so many headers and then someone else didn't finish the job.

Doherty: Good finish on the goal, didn't get forward to much effect in general play but I assume this was instruction. A couple of daft free kicks in bad areas when Hoilett ran at him but not much to note.

Moutinho: Better than against Huddersfield yet never going to have much of an impact when we deliberately bypassed midfield for 85%+ of the game. Set pieces were a bit better. Still a huge concern about the balance of the midfield in certain games and last night did nothing to dispel that.

Neves: Again better than last week, this is not a high bar though. There were 2-3 excellent passes and one decent attempt from range, this is still well short of what we know he can produce though. Soft booking which will always annoy me about him.

Vinagre: He's still learning, he's not been helped by last season's "six loanees" situation which meant he had months doing absolutely nothing (he really should have been playing every week for the U23s at that point). He doesn't look wildly out of place and he will get better, and there was nothing here where you could pick at him as making a serious error. It's not as reassuring as having Jonny though and Wednesday is a massive test.

Traore: Nothing changes. You'll get anything between one and four moments where he does something - invariably this doesn't actually come to anything (which isn't all his fault but that's football, not every good run turns into a goal). Outside of those moments he is depressingly shit. Cannot see him ever being the answer and "others were worse" is not an answer FFS.

Jimenez: Not sure what happened here. Everything seemed off, touch, five yard passes, hold up play, work rate, it was all missing. By Adama rules though, presumably we can wipe off all the total crap as his header aided the goal. If he's not performing then we really do have a huge problem as he's integral to everything we try to do.

Costa: So, so poor. Refs aren't giving him cheap free kicks now, he's not creating anything, he's not beating anyone, he's not threatening to score and every time we're giving it to him, we're losing the ball. Time up for now, I like him, I'm not totally writing him off but he can't be an automatic pick any more.

Jota: There are some very small signs that he's finding a little bit of form. Clutching at straws maybe, but he isn't losing the ball every time, he isn't falling over constantly, he is getting into more dangerous areas. This is our 18 goal top scorer from last season. We need him.

Gibbs-White: Although he'll be disappointed with his effort at the back post in particular, he is still making an impact pretty much every time he comes on. Probably should have started here and it's time for him to have a run in the team now. He's one of the few that's playing with any kind of belief.

Cavaleiro: Couldn't repeat his Southampton trick of scoring with his first touch (arguably should have done). Looked dangerous though and should have been on earlier.
 
I'm going to write a wider piece on where we are but in terms of ratings:

Patricio: That's such a shite effort on the first goal. If he falls over he gets the free kick, if he goes right through Paterson then he'll never get a foul given against him, if he stays at home we might have dealt with it. Otherwise didn't look great under the high ball and his kicking is actually getting worse to the point that it's an active liability for us.

Saiss: It didn't really work for me, he looks uncomfortable on that side and he left Coady to cover when the ball got played into that channel (Cardiff weren't really good enough to exploit him being pulled out). Can't say that his distribution helped us as we didn't try to play any football anyway outside of a 3-4 minute period in the second half.

Coady: Standard performance really, at least we can rely on him at the moment.

Boly: Back to his best after a shocker against Huddersfield. Shame his team mates let him down so frequently. Must have been raging that he won so many headers and then someone else didn't finish the job.

Doherty: Good finish on the goal, didn't get forward to much effect in general play but I assume this was instruction. A couple of daft free kicks in bad areas when Hoilett ran at him but not much to note.

Moutinho: Better than against Huddersfield yet never going to have much of an impact when we deliberately bypassed midfield for 85%+ of the game. Set pieces were a bit better. Still a huge concern about the balance of the midfield in certain games and last night did nothing to dispel that.

Neves: Again better than last week, this is not a high bar though. There were 2-3 excellent passes and one decent attempt from range, this is still well short of what we know he can produce though. Soft booking which will always annoy me about him.

Vinagre: He's still learning, he's not been helped by last season's "six loanees" situation which meant he had months doing absolutely nothing (he really should have been playing every week for the U23s at that point). He doesn't look wildly out of place and he will get better, and there was nothing here where you could pick at him as making a serious error. It's not as reassuring as having Jonny though and Wednesday is a massive test.

Traore: Nothing changes. You'll get anything between one and four moments where he does something - invariably this doesn't actually come to anything (which isn't all his fault but that's football, not every good run turns into a goal). Outside of those moments he is depressingly shit. Cannot see him ever being the answer and "others were worse" is not an answer FFS.

Jimenez: Not sure what happened here. Everything seemed off, touch, five yard passes, hold up play, work rate, it was all missing. By Adama rules though, presumably we can wipe off all the total crap as his header aided the goal. If he's not performing then we really do have a huge problem as he's integral to everything we try to do.

Costa: So, so poor. Refs aren't giving him cheap free kicks now, he's not creating anything, he's not beating anyone, he's not threatening to score and every time we're giving it to him, we're losing the ball. Time up for now, I like him, I'm not totally writing him off but he can't be an automatic pick any more.

Jota: There are some very small signs that he's finding a little bit of form. Clutching at straws maybe, but he isn't losing the ball every time, he isn't falling over constantly, he is getting into more dangerous areas. This is our 18 goal top scorer from last season. We need him.

Gibbs-White: Although he'll be disappointed with his effort at the back post in particular, he is still making an impact pretty much every time he comes on. Probably should have started here and it's time for him to have a run in the team now. He's one of the few that's playing with any kind of belief.

Cavaleiro: Couldn't repeat his Southampton trick of scoring with his first touch (arguably should have done). Looked dangerous though and should have been on earlier.
Agree with all of that. I can see why people take issue with Traore v other IF. Reading above you are much harder on Traore than Costa, whereas by all accounts Costa was utterly terrible last night and certainly was the worse player against Huddersfield.

I don't think either should be playing, but the tone of view against Traore is always much more virulent. He is frustrating and is no more than an impact sub, but he really doesn't deserve to be called thick, brainless and shit all the time.
 
I'm going to write a wider piece on where we are but in terms of ratings:

Patricio: That's such a shite effort on the first goal. If he falls over he gets the free kick, if he goes right through Paterson then he'll never get a foul given against him, if he stays at home we might have dealt with it. Otherwise didn't look great under the high ball and his kicking is actually getting worse to the point that it's an active liability for us.

Saiss: It didn't really work for me, he looks uncomfortable on that side and he left Coady to cover when the ball got played into that channel (Cardiff weren't really good enough to exploit him being pulled out). Can't say that his distribution helped us as we didn't try to play any football anyway outside of a 3-4 minute period in the second half.

Coady: Standard performance really, at least we can rely on him at the moment.

Boly: Back to his best after a shocker against Huddersfield. Shame his team mates let him down so frequently. Must have been raging that he won so many headers and then someone else didn't finish the job.

Doherty: Good finish on the goal, didn't get forward to much effect in general play but I assume this was instruction. A couple of daft free kicks in bad areas when Hoilett ran at him but not much to note.

Moutinho: Better than against Huddersfield yet never going to have much of an impact when we deliberately bypassed midfield for 85%+ of the game. Set pieces were a bit better. Still a huge concern about the balance of the midfield in certain games and last night did nothing to dispel that.

Neves: Again better than last week, this is not a high bar though. There were 2-3 excellent passes and one decent attempt from range, this is still well short of what we know he can produce though. Soft booking which will always annoy me about him.

Vinagre: He's still learning, he's not been helped by last season's "six loanees" situation which meant he had months doing absolutely nothing (he really should have been playing every week for the U23s at that point). He doesn't look wildly out of place and he will get better, and there was nothing here where you could pick at him as making a serious error. It's not as reassuring as having Jonny though and Wednesday is a massive test.

Traore: Nothing changes. You'll get anything between one and four moments where he does something - invariably this doesn't actually come to anything (which isn't all his fault but that's football, not every good run turns into a goal). Outside of those moments he is depressingly shit. Cannot see him ever being the answer and "others were worse" is not an answer FFS.

Jimenez: Not sure what happened here. Everything seemed off, touch, five yard passes, hold up play, work rate, it was all missing. By Adama rules though, presumably we can wipe off all the total crap as his header aided the goal. If he's not performing then we really do have a huge problem as he's integral to everything we try to do.

Costa: So, so poor. Refs aren't giving him cheap free kicks now, he's not creating anything, he's not beating anyone, he's not threatening to score and every time we're giving it to him, we're losing the ball. Time up for now, I like him, I'm not totally writing him off but he can't be an automatic pick any more.

Jota: There are some very small signs that he's finding a little bit of form. Clutching at straws maybe, but he isn't losing the ball every time, he isn't falling over constantly, he is getting into more dangerous areas. This is our 18 goal top scorer from last season. We need him.

Gibbs-White: Although he'll be disappointed with his effort at the back post in particular, he is still making an impact pretty much every time he comes on. Probably should have started here and it's time for him to have a run in the team now. He's one of the few that's playing with any kind of belief.

Cavaleiro: Couldn't repeat his Southampton trick of scoring with his first touch (arguably should have done). Looked dangerous though and should have been on earlier.
Pretty much agree with all of that bar Traoré ..yes his first touch he has to improve on..but when he got the ball just didnt just run with it but had great technique and passed it on to (mostly Jimenez) who then lost the ball..
 
Pretty much agree with all of that bar Traoré ..yes his first touch he has to improve on..but when he got the ball just didnt just run with it but had great technique and passed it on to (mostly Jimenez) who then lost the ball..
The problem is Fred when he doesn't have the ball. He doesn't look for it, he doesn't chase back (much), he doesn't move into space for an out ball. He literally waits to be given the ball at his feet so he can run at people. It looks great, it's very exciting and at times it works. It's not good enough though.
 
The problem is Fred when he doesn't have the ball. He doesn't look for it, he doesn't chase back (much), he doesn't move into space for an out ball. He literally waits to be given the ball at his feet so he can run at people. It looks great, it's very exciting and at times it works. It's not good enough though.
I thought hed did better at workrate compared to the Hudds game really..if a player (like Neves) can link with him it would be great..and with a poacher we will start to win games
 
He is brainless though. How else would you frame it?

TT's point stands here. The victimhood defence of Traore is embarrassing for those involved.

It's shocking he is our record signing.
 
He is brainless though. How else would you frame it?

TT's point stands here. The victimhood defence of Traore is embarrassing for those involved.

It's shocking he is our record signing.
You are wrong and I hope you will see that
 
He is brainless though. How else would you frame it?

TT's point stands here. The victimhood defence of Traore is embarrassing for those involved.

It's shocking he is our record signing.

Not for long. That will be the 30 million world beater Raul if the reports are to be believed. But his hold up play ........
 
Nuno is now 9/1 2nd favourite to be next manager sacked.
 
He is brainless though. How else would you frame it?

TT's point stands here. The victimhood defence of Traore is embarrassing for those involved.

It's shocking he is our record signing.
It's embarrassing that posters are so bothered about a £3m difference. If you going to label Traore shite every 5 minutes why not Costa who really has been terrible, Jota when he had played, Cav against Huddersfield - which was one of the worst performances I've seen for a very long time.

Its not victimhood, it's just rather pathetic you and others reserve shit etc just for one player.
 
I hope Nuno stays, great manager
 
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