Bournemouth 0-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[PuntsWolf]

But they are only going to get the ref to look at decisions that might be/are wrong. So naturally they always overturn the decision.

 

[Alan]

Obviously there’s a psychological element to predisposing the ref to the idea that he was wrong just by virtue of needing to take another look, but I don’t think “clear and obvious” going away really changes that. No matter what, being directed to take a second look is going to imply that something was missed.

Just let VAR overrule on the spot. The on pitch ref shouldn’t necessarily need to agree. IMO there’s no need for a hierarchy there. VAR is always going to have the better view of things.

 

[Sniffer]

I heard Howard Webb saying that things should be looked at in normal speed yet every time they go to the screen they show the slow motion only. They can’t even agree on what to do from one week to the next.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Right. I was thinking of a tackle that got upgraded to a red and couldn’t.

Semedo at Anfield last season

 

[PuntsWolf]

Semedo at Anfield last season

Yeah but it wasn’t Salisbury and also a stonewall red.

 

[Alan]

Yeah but it wasn’t Salisbury and also a stonewall red.

(Not saying this is what you've said)

That one was way less of a red than Zabarnyi's yesterday IMV.

 

[Mel Evo]

I heard Howard Webb saying that things should be looked at in normal speed yet every time they go to the screen they show the slow motion only. They can’t even agree on what to do from one week to the next.

They are a complete shambles.

Regards the decision, dicey for me but overall not a red. Could be convinced otherwise but the idea that it’s a no brainer red is a nonsense.

 

[Alan]

They are a complete shambles.

Regards the decision, dicey for me but overall not a red. Could be convinced otherwise but the idea that it’s a no brainer red is a nonsense.

Counterpoint: the idea that there’s room for it to just be a yellow is a nonsense.

 

[AndyWolves]

Studs up, high and with force. It's a red, it just is. It wasn't intentional (probably) and the Bournemouth fellas foot was kept high by the ball, but intent and luck doesn't come into it

 

[The Bear]

(Not saying this is what you've said)

That one was way less of a red than Zabarnyi's yesterday IMV.

It wasn't. Semedo didn't even make contact with the ball, he went straight over the top of it.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Counterpoint: the idea that there’s room for it to just be a yellow is a nonsense.

Bit that was the referee's original decision and he was a couple of yards away, looking at the incident and decided it was a yellow. So there was obviously "room for it to just be a yellow"

VAR had no right getting involved in something that is not clear and obvious because if it was clear and obvious there would be no room for it to just be a yellow, there would be no debate.

He caught Gomes above the ankle in a similar area to the Arsenal player against Doc who had his red card over turned...

 

[Tony Towner]

Bit that was the referee's original decision and he was a couple of yards away, looking at the incident and decided it was a yellow. So there was obviously "room for it to just be a yellow"

VAR had no right getting involved in something that is not clear and obvious because if it was clear and obvious there would be no room for it to just be a yellow, there would be no debate.

He caught Gomes above the ankle in a similar area to the Arsenal player against Doc who had his red card over turned...

And Gomes caught the Arsenal player above the ankle for his 2nd yellow which if reviewed would have been a 3 game ban rather than 1

 

[Alan]

Bit that was the referee's original decision and he was a couple of yards away, looking at the incident and decided it was a yellow. So there was obviously "room for it to just be a yellow"

VAR had no right getting involved in something that is not clear and obvious because if it was clear and obvious there would be no room for it to just be a yellow, there would be no debate.

He caught Gomes above the ankle in a similar area to the Arsenal player against Doc who had his red card over turned...

I genuinely can't understand seeing where the contact was made and not concluding that it's an easy red.

Funny how when refs make calls we agree with they suddenly become a good argument. Salisbury gave a yellow because he was wrong, not because there's room for it logically (IMO, I guess).

Truly all refereeing is fucked if this red has question marks on it.

 

[Tony Towner]

I genuinely can't understand seeing where the contact was made and not concluding that it's an easy red.

Funny how when refs make calls we agree with they suddenly become a good argument. Salisbury gave a yellow because he was wrong, not because there's room for it logically (IMO, I guess).

Truly all refereeing is fucked if this red has question marks on it.

I think you miss (at least my) point. I'm not saying it isn't a red in today's game, it is. Whether I think it should be is an irrelevance. What you do have is a referee with a clear view deciding it's a yellow card. He's not taken him at knee height, it's not a disgusting challenge. Then Attwell decides that's not good enough and sends him to the monitor, it's him getting involved - again, where he doesn't need to. The same as whoever was VAR at the Everton game deciding it shouldn't be a penalty and then not showing the ref the best angle to show that it wasn't a howling error.

It's too invasive, it went for us this time, it hasn't on numerous times before and won't again in the near future

 

[Alan]

Well the disagreement is that I do think it's disgusting, though not malicious.

I have less than no issue with it and want to believe I'd be perfectly fine with that tackle being punished in exactly the same way against our own.

 

[Tony Towner]

Sorry Alan, I find that ridiculous so let's just leave it there

 

[Alan]

Ditto tbh.

More to the point, the extent of our disagreement I think illustrates how difficult anything like objectivity in refereeing would be to get right, if it's possible at all.

Still love you tho bud

 

[PuntsWolf]

The force and danger from Semedo and Gomes’ reds (one of which only actually got a yellow but probsbly would have got upgraded if wasn’t a second yellow) are in a different stratosphere to the Zabarnyi one.

 

[Mel Evo]

Well the disagreement is that I do think it's disgusting, though not malicious.

I have less than no issue with it and want to believe I'd be perfectly fine with that tackle being punished in exactly the same way against our own.

I’m afraid that if you think it’s ‘disgusting’ rather than just a poorly controlled challenge that could provoke a red, I’m in danger of agreeing with Lineker et al. He’s obviously tried to get the ball and rolled over the top. We got lucky and I don’t like the system.

 

[AndyWolves]

Ditto tbh.

More to the point, the extent of our disagreement I think illustrates how difficult anything like objectivity in refereeing would be to get right, if it's possible at all.

Still love you tho bud

It's why even in a perfect world VAR won't solve all ills because there is never consensus over any decision that has at least 1% objectivity