Wolves 0-2 Bournemouth 31/1 Verdict thread.

[Tony Towner]

Plenty overstayed their welcome too. A couple left of their own volition, Hoddle was a blessed relief and Lopetegui as he could see the direction of travel and got out before he crashed with it. I wonder where we’d be now if Lop hadn’t walked out? One things for certain, he couldn’t have wasted funds as spectacularly as we did last summer.

We'd have better team now if Hobbs had stayed and he was out of his depth / wings were clipped. Of all Shi's many, many mistakes sacking Nuno was the biggest, but giving Vitor and his mate over £100m is a close second.

 

[sycophantia]

Not aimed at you in isolation, but I never understand the we deserved a point, or we were the better side argument in games like this. We deserved what we got, nothing, because we can't finish and give soft goals away. Losing because of our own inadequacies, not external factors. I don't even particularly blame the players or Edwards, they are what they are.

Yeah I get what you say about the 'deserved a point' cliche. My point about this game is we matched them in every aspect of the game. We didnt get the result because of 'reasons'.
I understand we're all pissed off about this season (last 3 or 4 seasons) but just dont think this game in isolation deserves some of the extreme criticism. Easy for me to say I know, only going once in a blue moon compared to those of you that have had to sit through it all season.

 

[jd1981]

That one I’ll give you.

@jd1981 because the people playing for us and the club don’t catch amnesia every summer. Big clubs get away with it largely because they can outspend on talent so significantly. We can’t. VP and Lop fixed nothing as evidenced by the last season and a half. They’re no measuring stick.

It’s not changing. I still hate it.

There’s going to be a big turnover this summer either way ourselves too so it’ll be a lot of new faces starting next season.
Competent managers can get results fairly quickly. The project as far as the club is concerned is get back to the PL ASAP. That doesn’t involve floating around tier 2 hoping it comes good for RE in a few years.

 

[White Wolf]

Yeah that was unlucky because RAN getting injured lead to Hoever coming on, although if I remember correctly Sa belting the ball up the pitch to nobody was still an element of self sabotage

We are better than we were. This team and application from the start of the season would have got 20-25 points.

Wasn't that a different game? Lost 0-1 under Lage very late on. The 1-2 was in early 2020.

 

[Alan]

There’s going to be a big turnover this summer either way ourselves too so it’ll be a lot of new faces starting next season.
Competent managers can get results fairly quickly. The project as far as the club is concerned is get back to the PL ASAP. That doesn’t involve floating around tier 2 hoping it comes good for RE in a fe was years.

It doesn’t have to, but 6 months is no type of fair sample size.

Point about player turnover is taken.

 

[Tony Towner]

Yeah I get what you say about the 'deserved a point' cliche. My point about this game is we matched them in every aspect of the game. We didnt get the result because of 'reasons'.
I understand we're all pissed off about this season (last 3 or 4 seasons) but just dont think this game in isolation deserves some of the extreme criticism. Easy for me to say I know, only going once in a blue moon compared to those of you that have had to sit through it all season.

I wasn't there so not as invested as you. It's a broader point rather than about today in isolation. We created decent chances in the first 15 mins and for most of the second half and the 'reasons' you mention are all of our own making. We didn’t match them in all aspects of the game because to use another cliche we didn't put the ball in the net from better chances than they had. For example this isn't bad luck

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017677528190640354

 

[jd1981]

It doesn’t have to, but 6 months is no type of fair sample size.

Point about player turnover is taken.

Might not be but that’s the reality of current football plus you probably have to consider how he dealt with Luton when momentum was in reverse when they went down.
I don’t think RE is a terrible coach just think this summer is huge and probably too big for him so some ruthless decisions will have to be made.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Plenty overstayed their welcome too. A couple left of their own volition, Hoddle was a blessed relief and Lopetegui as he could see the direction of travel and got out before he crashed with it. I wonder where we’d be now if Lop hadn’t walked out? One things for certain, he couldn’t have wasted funds as spectacularly as we did last summer.

Turner: Will always have endless respect but realistically was probably two years overdue
Taylor: Not a chance he could have stayed, we'd have gone down, anything else is revisionism
McGhee: Cup run in 98 saved him otherwise he wouldn't have seen that season out. Limped on towards the end of the year
Lee: Have some sympathy with him as he was better than people like to remember and we never gave him any money beyond what we got in sales. But it was dismal towards the end and had to go
Jones: Could have gone 3 or 4 times before he actually did. Bloody dreadful when he went
Hoddle: Should never have lasted beyond his end of the season deal
McCarthy: Will always love the man. But I wanted him gone 3-4 months before he did, even as a huge fan
Solbakken: Untenable on many levels
Saunders: Shouldn't have lasted 3 weeks, the prick
Jackett: Had we not been in the process of being sold (which we didn't know) then shouldn't have seen out 2015/16, absolutely dire
Zenga: You cannot keep a man in his 50s who wears ripped jeans and gets barred from pubs
Lambert: He won the Champions Weague you know. Drivel
Nuno: Wish he were still here now
Lage: If I applied to be CEO of Virgin Media I doubt I'd get a response as I have zero experience whatsoever that qualifies me for that kind of role. Same applies with this fucking twat and the Wolves job
Lopetegui: Made his own position untenable, the gobshite
O'Neil: Again if we were a normal club he'd never have got an interview
Pereira: I quite liked the guy. But he was the Paul Blades of management in terms of sharp downturn in performance. Only it cost us tens of millions of pounds in wasted transfers to find out

 

[Dire Wolf]

Andre and Joao Gomes: 3500+ minutes, 0 goals, 0 assists, 16 yellow cards. As good as they both can be at certain aspects of defensive midfield play, this simply isn't good enough.

 

[jd1981]

Still angers me how much energy that prick Lage sucked out the club and allowed standards of the fans to drop so low.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Still angers me how much energy that prick Lage sucked out the club and allowed standards of the fans to drop so low.

We're crap now but it's because we have a nonsense squad that's totally unbalanced and has far too many players who are not good enough for this level.

The football that wanker had us playing, with the players he had available to him (without him doing anything, he inherited them), was absolutely unforgivable.

 

[Mel Evo]

My point about this game is we matched them in every aspect of the game.

Not every aspect unfortunately.

 

[Jinky]

Yeah I get what you say about the 'deserved a point' cliche. My point about this game is we matched them in every aspect of the game. We didnt get the result because of 'reasons'.
I understand we're all pissed off about this season (last 3 or 4 seasons) but just dont think this game in isolation deserves some of the extreme criticism. Easy for me to say I know, only going once in a blue moon compared to those of you that have had to sit through it all season.

I’m with you. I’m quite surprised by some of the reaction to today. Given some of the absolute dross that’s been served up this season (and before), I actually thought we had some nice passages of play - and in the second half, we did deserve a goal - because the players were throwing everything at it. Obviously we lack quality in both boxes, but to say we didn’t deserve anything today is a bit harsh, IMO. I personally think Bournemouth will be delighted to go home with three points and a clean sheet.

I alluded to it on the matchday thread, but if I were RE, I’d just stick the two big lads up top from the start for the rest of the season, ditch the 5 at the back, and actually have a go. We’re down anyway, it’s been a complete clusterfuck of a season on & off the pitch - playing for a 0-0 isn’t going to achieve anything, so just create some chaos and have a go. When we were launching balls in for the final 15-20 minutes today, we really should have scored and on another day, probably would have.

Transfer outgoings dependent, something like -

Sa
Rodrigo Yerson Santi Hugo
Arias Gomes Bellegarde
Mane
JSL Tolu​

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You can't play those two as full backs in a flat back four, not a hope.

And you can't play any kind of high line if Santi Madden is one of your two CHs either.

 

[Mel Evo]

It doesn’t have to, but 6 months is no type of fair sample size.

Point about player turnover is taken.

DW has (of course!) mapped it out in detail. But to channel the PE folks… go on then, which manager have we sacked too soon? Go on.

There are plenty we’ve sacked too late.

 

[Alan]

Might not be but that’s the reality of current football plus you probably have to consider how he dealt with Luton when momentum was in reverse when they went down.
I don’t think RE is a terrible coach just think this summer is huge and probably too big for him so some ruthless decisions will have to be made.

Yeah, if nothing else, we agree that my opinion here is not one that meshes with reality. Gotta stay on brand!

 

[Alan]

DW has (of course!) mapped it out in detail. But to channel the PE folks… go on then, which manager have we sacked too soon? Go on.

There are plenty we’ve sacked too late.

Way less about us in particular; I agree that in our own recent history we have had more issues keeping guys for too long.

 

[Jinky]

You can't play those two as full backs in a flat back four, not a hope.

And you can't play any kind of high line if Santi Madden is one of your two CHs either.

Well the other options at full back are hardly appealing and I think all of us have had enough of the back 5.

At this point I just want him to do something. As I say, we’re down anyway - so you might as well try and do something to entertain the fans.

Santi is slow but I do like him. I’d say he’s been our most consistent defender for some time now.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Way less about us in particular; I agree that in our own recent history we have had more issues keeping guys for too long.

Recent, it's 40 years mate

Even outside of us I would disagree. That's the gig. Sort it out or we'll find someone else. I have no truck with the idea that United should have stuck with Amorim for another year or two (for example), they were shit and didn't look like getting any better.

 

[jd1981]

I’m with you. I’m quite surprised by some of the reaction to today. Given some of the absolute dross that’s been served up this season (and before), I actually thought we had some nice passages of play - and in the second half, we did deserve a goal - because the players were throwing everything at it. Obviously we lack quality in both boxes, but to say we didn’t deserve anything today is a bit harsh, IMO. I personally think Bournemouth will be delighted to go home with three points and a clean sheet.

I alluded to it on the matchday thread, but if I were RE, I’d just stick the two big lads up top from the start for the rest of the season, ditch the 5 at the back, and actually have a go. We’re down anyway, it’s been a complete clusterfuck of a season on & off the pitch - playing for a 0-0 isn’t going to achieve anything, so just create some chaos and have a go. When we were launching balls in for the final 15-20 minutes today, we really should have scored and on another day, probably would have.

Transfer outgoings dependent, something like -

Sa
Rodrigo Yerson Santi Hugo
Arias Gomes Bellegarde
Mane
JSL Tolu​

Any away win you’ll be delighted with.
Positive results in football are all earnt by being good in all areas we weren’t so no we didn’t deserve anything.
Again any other season we would all be lambasting today as a nieve none savvy effort.
Goes back to expectations, I agree the performance was alright but not one worthy of a positive result.