Verdict: Sunderland 2 Wolves 0

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The only solution I can see is that they need to try out some of the younger players who haven’t been given a chance yet (Mane for example). The players he is picking are clearly not good enough.

Not sure how those kids would be better? Mane is 18 and has played about 10 mins of pro football, how will he be more likely to perform than JSL or Tolu?

We are good enough, we were better than both Spurs and Brighton, we have it in us, but tactical mistakes and individual errors are letting us down, and the more that happens, the lower confidence gets and here we are.

 

[AndyWolves]

I feel there is a little more in this squad than VP is currently able to get out of it though. Not much, but a bit

 

[YoungWolf]

We are good enough

sorry mate, we absolutely are not

 

[broughtonwolf]

This is the problem when you buy you’re 2nd-3rd choice signings because a lot of your main targets saw better offers around.

Depressingly, I suspect "better offers" being clubs with basic aspirations and a structured approach, it's not even as simple as monetary terms anymore, which we would fail on anyway.

 

[broughtonwolf]

At that point where Pereira and associated team need to be replaced imo.

The playing squad can't by definition be replaced.

The ownership won't take responsibility and may sell in the future when it suits, or when forced, so can't change anything immediately.

Which leaves the unit responsible for coaching the team to win games. As much as I hate the process of sacking / resets and accept at best it may not change anything if the wrong replacement is found (for which clearly we have past history) or may even be counter productive, it is now a gamble worthwhile both in playing terms and financially.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

sorry mate, we absolutely are not

Currently, no. And performances like yesterday obviously aren't.

But we should have and would have beaten Spurs and Brighton with better tactical decisions.

 

[slink]

Well I’m used to following us everywhere and losing now but yesterday was another level of shit.
Started when i saw the team and Doc somehow was back in at right back and Arias was still playing on the right and Munetsi was playing anywhere.
Got worse at the start of the game when half the away end booed the players taking the knee.
Then the game started and i maintain even though we’re nowhere near what we were the squad is not significantly worse than 5/6 squads in the league but tactically we are and that basically gives us no chance. It was clear from minute 1 that Sunderland were coached much better than we are, had actual patterns of play to beat our press and could have been 2/3 up at half time.
Second half they retreated and we had the ball but when the ball just constantly ends up with Munetsi when we get it anywhere near the box you’re basically just hoping rather than expecting something to happen.

Vitor says it’s must win next week but i think even if we do we’re nailed on to go down with him in charge. There’s barely any options to replace him too and so even if i think someone could get enough out of this squad to just about keep us up this is the year we drop unless there’s divine intervention.

 

[basher]

I said a couple of months back that if Wolves get relegated this season and Fosun walked away could we say that they'd left the club in a much better place than when they took over? And I'm not convinced that I could.

DW did say that the training ground facilities etc have been upgraded and that we had saleable assets on the player side, I'm not so sure that we have bar a few exceptions, but tangible stuff that we see at games what would there be that we could say "yep, Fosun made a real impact".

Nothing...other than the memories of a good three season spell, which was great! But we don't even have a trophy that we could point to as a touchstone to say at least we have that.

They need to fuck off.

 

[sycophantia]

Currently I've come to terms with the fact we're going down. So I'd like to see us start to play a settled team (whoever that might be) and try and find some sort of identity and patterns of play. That's pretty much what happened when Pereira arrived but I'm not confident he can do that again.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

I said a couple of months back that if Wolves get relegated this season and Fosun walked away could we say that they'd left the club in a much better place than when they took over? And I'm not convinced that I could.

DW did say that the training ground facilities etc have been upgraded and that we had saleable assets on the player side, I'm not so sure that we have bar a few exceptions, but tangible stuff that we see at games what would there be that we could say "yep, Fosun made a real impact".

Nothing...other than the memories of a good three season spell, which was great! But we don't even have a trophy that we could point to as a touchstone to say at least we have that.

They need to fuck off.

The club will lose a huge amount of revenue if we get relegated. The income from the few exceptions that we are able to sell added to the parachute payments will probably just about cover running cost STs and the wages of those we can’t sell. Crowds will plummet unless ticket costs are slashed and even then a lot of fans will stay away unless there are some grounds for optimism and that doesn’t seem likely. Within a couple of years we’ll be in almost exactly the position we were in when Fosun took over with, once again with a disinterested owner looking to sell the club.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

We are the equivalent of a temu hand drill.
Looks good in the picture, does all the things it says, and then burns out drilling the fifth hole.
The moral is don't shop at temu, but that's a bit difficult as they own us.

 

[sycophantia]

We are the equivalent of a temu hand drill.
Looks good in the picture, does all the things it says, and then burns out drilling the fifth hole.
The moral is don't shop at temu, but that's a bit difficult as they own us.

At least with Temu you get the occasional unexpected bargain Apart from Krejci (and he was hardly bargain territory) all our incomings have less quality than your average Temu purchase.

 

[Muscat]

I hate Fosun but ultimately we've spent a load of money on absolute shit. Not sure who you really blame for that and I doubt it boils down to just one person. Selling your two best players over the summer and coming out with an even net spend is criminal and won't have helped, but Bournemouth made a profit and have basically seen zero drop off. Our scouting is just so incredibly bad.

 

[Keef]

Our scouting is probably Jeff getting his esports boys to play premier manager

 

[spanish Wolf]

For me, the culprits are clear, not for this season or the last few games.
Fosum's management in recent years has been beyond lamentable. It feels like the sporting directorate is going full steam ahead, with no one in charge.
If you have to sell, sell, but have a team that has several players on its radar when you know you'll lose several starters at the end of the season and a strategy to follow. It's unacceptable that a club like ours has several million in signings from this season on the bench... that says it all.
Fosum and its management are more to blame than the coach or the players they've signed.

 

[Bertiewolf]

I haven’t posted here in quite a while as I’ve been very unwell these last few months (and continue to be so) although I have looked on in once in a while and with all the negativity around the club (and deserved it is) I simply couldn’t muster the energy to repeat the same talking points.

Onto the game last night which pretty well confirms that the club is hurtling towards relegation which has been largely due to the mis-managed and incompetent ownership and guidance by Fosun/Shi, since the days of Nuno.

I echo what has been said on this thread and regrettably I can say now I simply don’t care anymore about the club in its current state, and probably won’t again until there is total reset i.e. new ownership which will have to be realigned in the Championship after the inevitable relegation (which has only been a matter of when not if these last few years).

I still love the club (and what it used to stand for) and its past but I no longer have any emotional attachment to the current ownership, players and management - life is too short (which I’m now well aware of now) to waste my time on it anymore.

Take care Kiwi - hope you're back firing on all cylinders before long

 

[Wilf Wolf]

For me, the culprits are clear, not for this season or the last few games.
Fosum's management in recent years has been beyond lamentable. It feels like the sporting directorate is going full steam ahead, with no one in charge.
If you have to sell, sell, but have a team that has several players on its radar when you know you'll lose several starters at the end of the season and a strategy to follow. It's unacceptable that a club like ours has several million in signings from this season on the bench... that says it all.
Fosum and its management are more to blame than the coach or the players they've signed.

A well run club would be able to have the summer’s signings on the bench as there’d be a succession plan and the likes of Rodrigo, Bellegarde, Doyle and Traore would be stepping into the first team. We are paying the price for poor recruitment over a number of years and needed a spectacularly success summer this year and there’s no evidence to suggest it was any better than previous years.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Have a look through our signings since 2020.

If more than 30% could be considered a hit I'd be surprised, and I imagine you'd probably have to do a fair bit of squinting to get to that level.

Which for a club that is as established in the PL as we're ever likely to be (and already was at that stage), and isn't under any financial pressure whatsoever, is absolutely shite.

 

[Jinky]

Got nothing to say on the game, result, the players or Vítor.

I just wanted to pop a comment on to wish you the very best @KiwiWolf61