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Wolves 2-2 Everton: Verdict Thread

I'm in the positivity camp too. Impressed with Jonny yesterday and agree that he should move over with Vinagre coming in.

Let's try and remember that Everton came 10th last season, have appointed a good coach and have real designs on breaking the top 6.
 
Just finished watching, my big takeaways are simple.

1. Boly has to be more conservative in the league than in the Championship. Hopefully he will learn this.

2. Almost nothing Jota or Costa did all day came off. We must see improvement in those positions or we will continue to struggle scoring.
 
Just finished watching, my big takeaways are simple.

1. Boly has to be more conservative in the league than in the Championship. Hopefully he will learn this.

2. Almost nothing Jota or Costa did all day came off. We must see improvement in those positions or we will continue to struggle scoring.

I'm not disagreeing that Jota and Costa didn't have good games, Costa especially. However, what do you mean by continue to struggle scoring, you do realise we scored twice?
 
yes we all agree that Doherty should have been upgraded. he received numerous balls in oceans of space, but instead of controlling and moving the ball forward in one movement (not that difficult), his first control is to face backwards to knock back to Bennett.
 
Any idea how long Cav and Traore are out? could really have done with either as a sub yesterday. Leo did well when he came on but a bit of Cav magic would have been nice.
 
Overall I'm pretty happy with that. I thought we edged the first half, their goal seemed to come against the run of play and I can't really blame anyone for it, it's just really unfortunate. Just knew Neves was going to score as soon as he stepped up, it's like it was the only viable timeline, like Ronaldo vs Spain in the World Cup.

Second half we were a bit disappointing but to counter that I thought Everton were excellent, the perfect way to play with 10 men. Their goal was just slack defending from everyone involved, way too easy. Loved the equaliser though, great movement and a perfect header by wee Raulito who is just a beautiful, beautiful man.

Would've been the perfect situation to bring on Cav or Adama really but Bonatini changed the game in his own way when he came on, Costa was just crowded out the whole game, didn't get an inch of space and nothing Jota tried really came off. Thought Bennett played really well, that tackle he made in the 2nd half was glorious. I didn't think Doc or Jonny played badly but they were both a little too cautious, I would've put Vinny on much earlier. Liking the look of Moutinho and Neves in the middle, real top quality partnership.
 
Have to be happy with a point against Everton, however....

Boly was off the pace.
Bennett was on the money
Coady was good, still needs to improve defensively but will.
Docherty did ok
Jonny defensively sound but offered little going forward
Neves can play a lot better passing off but sheer quality for the goal
Moutinhio solid for his first game
Jota wanted too much time
Costa wanted a too much time
Jiminez have to apologise that was an excellent performance some lovely runs and inter play.

Overall view I think the pace surprised a few we wanted to much time and we will learn I dont expect us to play as bad as that very often.
Dissapointed in one aspect, Nuno said we would jot change the way we played yet at times we were so defensive / negative wanted us to have a real go at them.
The noise was fantastic
 
He was making me angry, I kept thinking go on say something nice about us, but no he couldn't.

I wanted to smack the cunt in the mouth. His voice grates on me, but when that's coupled with ignorance I was getting so wound.up by the pair of them.

Bt commentary is so fucking bad, I.know.I work for Sky but there commentary is so professional so slick.it makes BT look exactly what it is amateurish
 
Turned off straight after the whistle and didn't hear the 'don't like wolves' comment, but generally I though McManaman called it right. We didn't 'high press' the way we did last season, we did sit too deep for too long and we often had five or six players behind the ball, when our shape dictates we only need three or four in those situations. Also we did look more 5-4-1 on occasions - particularly after Jagielka was rightly sent off.

It seemed that we were giving the occasion and the opposition way too much respect and the likes of Boly Jota Costa and on occasions Neves seemed to have forgotten how they played last season or were just very nervous.


Jiminez was often isolated, but was still the stand out player, and as McManaman kept pointing out, if you get the ball wide to your marauding full backs, it does help to have at least one player in the box! But Nuno will sort these things out. I thought we missed Saiss and his ball winning energy in midfield. I'm sure Moutinho is class, but on that showing I thought him and Neves were too lightweight.

Two great goals - particularly the header. Again - if Pickford hadn't made that step to the right he might have saved Neves' free kick - but i'll take that luck all day long.

Suspect we'll see a much more confident and energetic performance at Leicester.
 
Turned off straight after the whistle and didn't hear the 'don't like wolves' comment, but generally I though McManaman called it right. We didn't 'high press' the way we did last season, we did sit too deep for too long and we often had five or six players behind the ball, when our shape dictates we only need three or four in those situations. Also we did look more 5-4-1 on occasions - particularly after Jagielka was rightly sent off.

It seemed that we were giving the occasion and the opposition way too much respect and the likes of Boly Jota Costa and on occasions Neves seemed to have forgotten how they played last season or were just very nervous.


Jiminez was often isolated, but was still the stand out player, and as McManaman kept pointing out, if you get the ball wide to your marauding full backs, it does help to have at least one player in the box! But Nuno will sort these things out. I thought we missed Saiss and his ball winning energy in midfield. I'm sure Moutinho is class, but on that showing I thought him and Neves were too lightweight.

Two great goals - particularly the header. Again - if Pickford hadn't made that step to the right he might have saved Neves' free kick - but i'll take that luck all day long.

Suspect we'll see a much more confident and energetic performance at Leicester.
I don't think we did a high press much last season at all, especiallly not against the better teams. Our defensive tactics has always been for every player to get back into their allocated position when the other team has the ball - correct tactic for me against an Everton team with, on paper, fast and fluid attackers.
 
Managed to re watch the highlights this morning with a clear head and not clouded by beer . Would’ve been happy with a point before kick off but naturally left slightly disappointed with how it planned out. Felt we seemed nervous and could’ve been abit more adventurous at the start of the 2nd half. Seemed to lack a plan B, but first game of the season is always hard to judge as new players are getting up to speed and we do have a couple more to come in.
Nice to see neves playing like that first game in he prem, class. Slightly concerning how little jota and costa especially got in the game. But a point on the board. Raul looked good, will be a hit with the fans
 
I don't think we did a high press much last season at all, especiallly not against the better teams. Our defensive tactics has always been for every player to get back into their allocated position when the other team has the ball - correct tactic for me against an Everton team with, on paper, fast and fluid attackers.

You're right, I was struggling for the correct word - it was more of a fast press than a high press - we just seemed to be on the opposition far quicker last season than we were for much of yesterday when I felt we stood off too much
 
I'd like to see Jony on the right with Traore at Right IF. Jony's better defensive quality will help Traore out and Traore will terrify people - might not be the best at completing moves, but I really couldn't see him disappearing from games like Costa can.
 
You're right, I was struggling for the correct word - it was more of a fast press than a high press - we just seemed to be on the opposition far quicker last season than we were for much of yesterday when I felt we stood off too much
I think we were quicker to close players down, but that might just have been Saiss and Cav being quicker at this than Moutinho and Costa.
 
I think Costa & Jota need to come in from the wing more to receive the ball. We then need the wing backs to be braver to go into the space, but this relies on Jota & Costa retaining possession
 
Btw, I think Jiminez might be on the verge of forming a protest group along with Baath, Docherty and Diego Jota. Everyone seems to be doing it here but his name is spelt Jimenez (or Jiménez if you really want to be a cock). Or am I perhaps missing some sort of a pun here? In any case I suggest we just call him Raul
 
Few thoughts:
Watched it on a stream with Arlo White and Robbie Earle doing the Comms, who were very good. Particularly talking about the history of the club and our part in the English game - I might change my user name to reflect that.

Boly still played with the same comfortable style that he did last year when he was head and shoulders above the opposition, he isn't now and needs to cut out some of the more risky stuff

The wing backs don't offer us the cutting edge we need. Long raking balls out wide are wasted if the ball isn't taken in the stride and the tempo maintained. Teams at this level will reset quickly and yesterday did. Aimed mainly at Doherty, but I'm still of the view that offensively Jonny isn't great on the left. There's an obvious switch that needs doing, because otherwise we will be easy to play against.

Not sure about the midfield two. I'd like to see more legs in there. If you put reputations aside then it would be Moutinho's place that Dendoncker takes, not Bennett's.

Coady concerns me, wouldn't be making any changes yet, but seemed reactive to situations yesterday rather than reading them.

On the press, last year, it was only the front 3 that did it, so no different yesterday, the rest of the team was about positional awareness and making us difficult to play through.

Their second was as a result of Neves having a knock, Richarlison wouldn't have run off him in that way if he wasn't injured.

There were a couple of times last year when Nuno being completely wedded to 343/3421 was questioned. They mentioned in comms that he said the team hasn't even practiced anything else in training so won't be changing anything. I'm not sure a formation change would have made any difference yesterday, given the two players who would have made the largest impact from the bench were both out.
 
It didn't really need a formation change yesterday just mentality, get the back three further up the pitch, have the midfielders playing in front of them instead of dropping in between them to get on the ball, get the wingbacks high up the pitch combining with the wide players. It was all just too safe, Wolves played far too cautious and only made numerical advantage count in safe areas that Everton were happy to surrender. Still not sure whether it was through fear, nerves or perhaps even arrogance that they didn't commit more men forwards, last year the front three could win games on their own but that will rarely happen in a PL game.
 
Tim Nash just casually linking a porn Twitter account to his 22k followers.

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