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Wolves 0 - Sunderland 0 A disappointing verdict thread

You put this in the Doherty section:



And then went on to criticise his end product. Yet Douglas' report had no mention that he barely attacked Sunderland's back line in comparison and his delivery into the box was also poor yesterday.

Doc had a much better game than Douglas.

Disagree. I thought Douglas was playing fairly well until he got booked. Also it isn't a recurring theme from him that he can't cross. It's called context.
 
This was a game for Vinagre - defensively Douglas is better, but the wing backs really didn't need to do that yesterday

Bit more pace to get between their banks of 5 might have helped
 
One of those games that 1 goal for us would have opened floodgates.

I think so. A goal by us would have wrecked their gameplan and forced them to come out and play to salvage something which in turn would have opened it up for us to score more
 
Disagree. I thought Douglas was playing fairly well until he got booked. Also it isn't a recurring theme from him that he can't cross. It's called context.
It's a match report for a particular game though. Douglas had a poor game.
 
Write your own report then.
 
End product was woeful from everyone. Don’t think Baz shot would have been too much trouble for the keeper so we can’t cling to that.

Bennett and Bonatini had the best chances of the game. Bennett wound have scored with any short of goal bound contact, and Bonatini had enough time for a touch and to pick his spot. Still he should have just side footed it towards goal rather than trying to smash it.

Big problem was that no one really ever tried to beat them or get behind. It was always crosses from deep which were all terrible.

No idea why we finished the game with 3 CBs. One of them should have been hooked. I’d have bought Vinagre on as well. We were desperate for pace round the outside (which you thought Costa would bring but he didn’t).

I know Nuno wants to carry on playing his way, but we could still be playing now and wouldn’t have scored. We may have been better off just putting it in the mixer. They were panic stations any time the ball was in there box, and with the quick feet of our forward players in that area we may have been able to grab a second ball.

Ah well, loads of weaker teams have gone to better teams a stole a point by parking the bus. Just hope it doesn’t happen too often as it’s a horrendous spectacle.
 
Gerrit forward. Put it in the mixer. We aren't in the football Triassic period now. I think we as fans have to show patience with the style that will get us promoted and way up the league above. Reverting to "English" style championship play is going to be retrograde.
 
Gerrit forward. Put it in the mixer. We aren't in the football Triassic period now. I think we as fans have to show patience with the style that will get us promoted and way up the league above. Reverting to "English" style championship play is going to be retrograde.

If it is just for 10 minutes at the end of a game it’s hardly retrograde - nothing was working with plan A and the whole point of football is to find a way to win.
 
Gerrit forward. Put it in the mixer. We aren't in the football Triassic period now. I think we as fans have to show patience with the style that will get us promoted and way up the league above. Reverting to "English" style championship play is going to be retrograde.

Yeah 100% play that as a rule. I wasn’t being totally serious anyway. But yesterday 5 mins of that wouldn’t have been the end of the world. The approach we were taking wasn’t working.
 
I don't agree that we could've played on for x amount of time and wouldn't have scored. Even tough we didn't create anything clear cut it still felt like it was only a matter of time before we did. We just didn't get the bounce of the ball in the 90 minutes.

We didn't play nearly as poorly as people have been suggesting. Just lacked a bit of creativity in the final third which in this team is completely out of character and nothing to worry about long term at all. We certainly don't need to start thinking about changing the way we're playing off the back of yesterday.
 
Even Pep used to throw Pique up top when shit got desperate with his all conquering Barca side, I don't think anyone is advocating going full Pulis as a standard course of action but sometimes an alternative idea is needed in short bursts.
 
Even Pep used to throw Pique up top when shit got desperate with his all conquering Barca side, I don't think anyone is advocating going full Pulis as a standard course of action but sometimes an alternative idea is needed in short bursts.


You mean like playing Cavaleiro at LWB and pushing N'Daiye up next to Bonatini?
 
I don't agree that we could've played on for x amount of time and wouldn't have scored. Even tough we didn't create anything clear cut it still felt like it was only a matter of time before we did. We just didn't get the bounce of the ball in the 90 minutes.

We didn't play nearly as poorly as people have been suggesting. Just lacked a bit of creativity in the final third which in this team is completely out of character and nothing to worry about long term at all. We certainly don't need to start thinking about changing the way we're playing off the back of yesterday.

I would say it's the complete opposite of this, we need to continue to play more like the way we do and not resort to lumping it in the box which is what we ended up doing yesterday and we just aren't that team. Before yesterday's game we had crossed the ball less than any side in the league but for some reason decided that was the way to go yesterday with over 40 crosses. Cav and Jota had to come more central with both the wing backs pushed on but we didn't do that and both players mentioned tended to be too far away from Bonatini so we couldn't get it into him and link the play.
 
Can't do it in the freezing weather. Bloody foreigners.
 
You put this in the Doherty section:



And then went on to criticise his end product. Yet Douglas' report had no mention that he barely attacked Sunderland's back line in comparison and his delivery into the box was also poor yesterday.

Doc had a much better game than Douglas.

I thought Douglas and Doherty were pretty much on a par, neither got round the back and both put in average crosses, also Douglas set pieces weren't up to his usual standard, Cavs crosses were also poor, hit the first defender on at least 4 occasions......but its no big deal, just an off day and summat to work on
 
The dark side is a car crash of suggestions.

My favourite being buying Matt Smith for encounters such as yesterday.

I'm like Obi Wan going into the security holograms on there.
 
The dark side is a car crash of suggestions.

My favourite being buying Matt Smith for encounters such as yesterday.

I'm like Obi Wan going into the security holograms on there.


:icon_lol:
 
I thought Douglas and Doherty were pretty much on a par, neither got round the back and both put in average crosses, also Douglas set pieces weren't up to his usual standard, Cavs crosses were also poor, hit the first defender on at least 4 occasions......but its no big deal, just an off day and summat to work on
The difference for me was that Doherty was always pushing forward trying to make something happen. Douglas didn't really do that on his side which disappointed me. You can bet Vinagre would have if he came on.
 
I can only compare to the villa and bolton games (and also tv games such as blues).
I felt that we (as fans) have been a little bit spoilt so far this season. This weekend, we were not as bad as parkin describes qpr, but a few players were not quite at 100%.

Sunderland came hoping to keep a clean sheet. They had no real attacking intent. Hopes pinned on a set piece, or lucky break. IIRC they had 1 shot on target, from outside the box? They never really threatened.

Back 3 were generally sound. I said on the day that Boly wasn't up to his usual high standards. Let us be clear that Boly at 60% is still better than probably every other championship defender. However he had a slip in the 1st half, a misplaced pass or 2, and a couple of times I worried about a potential stearman moment where he had to recover (but did so brilliantly). In the 2nd half he got beaten twice on the left hand side.

Saiss in the midfield didn't quite have everything come off for him either. Neves was absolutely superb though. The man is such a good quality footballer. You can hear loads of exclamations of glee, delight and admiration for his footballing ability (some of his turns whilst controlling the ball are exquisite! Didn't have his shooting boots on, and when he went for power had no direction, when he went for placement, didn't have the power.

I thought Douglas was absolutely fine. I thought whilst Doherty was fine going forwards, when he got the ball he didn't know what to do. He was looking at the front 3 to make space, and he struggled to find the right pass too often.

It didn't come off for any of the front 3. They applied themselves, but it simply didn't work for them. Cav struggled to find a good through ball. Leo should have buried that first half chance. Jota didn't really get into the game and have an influence for the first time.

I think Nuno got the subs wrong. Really wrong. People have discussed our transfer success - I'm not convinced by N'daiye at all. I see no reason to explore a permanent deal for him tbh, as I feel he offers little. I think his goal v Barnsley is the only real time he has properly impacted a game. We resulted to him being a big target up front to aim at. It didn't work at all. Costa also should have been running at players, but didn't. Indeed, with Costa on it looked unplanned, and a bit of a mess. It smacked of get your best players on the pitch, rather than a systematic attempt to get through the opposition - having costa, cav, bonatini and jota all at the same time reminded me of the numerous attempts to get lampard, gerrard, scholes and beckham to work as a team. This was my first experience of wondering if Nuno doesn't have a proper plan B.

For me, costa could have come on for any of the front 3. Potentially Biright for another of the front 3 would have worked - with the instruction to control the ball and look to get at sunderland. As a third change, either Miranda for Bennett - who had a good game imo, but lacks the ability to find a pass out from the back, or alternatively Price for Bennett (Price is also able to find a pass) with Price/Saiss supporting Boly/Coady.

Sunderland weren't dirty. Wilsons tackle was poor, Cattermole was imo simply late. They're in for a season of struggles though, if they intend to play to stop the opposition scoring.

Ref was average - still struggle to see how he missed the corner in the first half. He wasn't woeful though.

As Aiki says, we're unbeaten in 7. We're rarely conceding goals. We're generally likely to score in most games. We're a good team, and there's a good system in there, but I do think Nuno needs a bit of a think about how to try changing games sometimes.
 
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