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Wolves 0-2 Brentford: Verdict Thread

Why move Kilman over when Boly has played LCB comfortably before? Plus he has more experience to help out RAN.
 
PuntsWolf said:
But this is by design. Semedo is the 4th most attacking player in the system. If your WBs can’t cross, shoot or play incisive passes then don’t play WBs or play someone else. I’d rank Semedo above Marcal and Traore of players I’d want it to fall to and Raul had snatched at every chance he has had. So basically Semedo is the second most likely player to score at the moment and we don’t want chances to fall to him.

RAN is the only genuine WB in the squad and he’s not playing. Needs to play or change the system.


There has been a lot of overreaction, me included. The next two league games are massive though. Can’t afford to not score in two more games against bottom 6 material.
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  • Semedo is the 4th most attacking in this system but that's because he has to be. He actually gets in really good areas but his end product much like the squad isn't where we want it to be. In terms of playing wb's not playing wb's it's not straight forward is it. With the squad we have and playing 3 centre backs we have to play with them and lots of us aren't sure whether we can play 4 at the back. Personally i think we've surely got 2 centre backs capable of that and it enable us then to get 3 attacking players behind/supprting Raul. We all know scoring goals is the biggest problem, even Raul isn't really clinical and he's not getting many chances as his movement isn't what it was but even then he's had 2 great chances with his head in the last 2 games and missed them both.
  • I agree with that, Ait-Nouri should be playing but i can see why Marcal has been. He'd covered solidly for the first few games and while not that comfortable on the ball he was doing a job. RAN also got cramp quite bad in the Forest game.
  • No denying the next 2 games are massive but you're right there has been a lot of overreaction. We need more guile in the team and we need to stay positive and they need to trust that they have the ability because they do. Hopefully Bruno can get that in to them and the mentality hasn't taken a hit after yesterday like it has with a lot of fans because if the team react like they have then we're fucked.
 
The Bear said:
Why move Kilman over when Boly has played LCB comfortably before? Plus he has more experience to help out RAN.
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Either works. I am not getting into knee jerk reactions after yesterday when half the team were well below par. Drndonckers height is missing at both ends of the pitch for me as are Moutinhos legs. They are not what they used to be at all even if we play higher. That squad is a mid table squad but the players need to perform to achieve that. Yesterday they just didn’t
 
The ref could have stopped their keepers antics by booking him early in the second half for time wasting.

The rolling about on the floor is frustrating (especially when their subs were practicing it) but it's part of the game unfortunately and they used it to good effect to disrupt and delay as much as they could.

I'm still pissed off with the result as I'm sure we all are. I don't know what we have to do to score, but our attacks just break down so many times and we end up without creating a chance after getting ourselves into a good position, so very, very frustrating.
 
We just don't seem to have belief/conviction when it comes to finishing off chances. That nonchalance that Toney had yesterday.

I'm hoping we get a catalyst in the next couple of games that flicks a switch in the players heads!
 
prawnking said:
The anti-Adama agenda here is ludicrous. He's not the reason we lost the game.

By 'not contributing for years' you really mean 'didn't contribute last season'. Like he was the only one!

He certainly contributed during our 7th place finish the season before. Or does that season only count for everyone other than Adama?
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You are right he isn't, our defending was shocking and that's not on him. The issue I gave us he's so frustratingly inconsistent and very rarely delivers on the promising positions he gets into. Even the season he had a fair amount of assists they were from hung crosses that Raul made the most of, he never picks people out just wangs it in hoping for the best and currently Raul just isn't as sharp as he was.
I do have some sympathy for him, he's a proper old school winger so playing where he is isn't natural for him, we generally look a lot more fluid when he's not on the pitch though.
 
WsWolf said:
we generally look a lot more fluid when he's not on the pitch though.
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I see this cliche repeated a lot on here and I'm not really sure where the evidence for it is.

He's started every game this season, and last season the vast majority of the time played the full 90.

For the handful of games he didn't start in 20/21, for every Palace at home where we won, there's a Palace away where we lost.

And the one game he missed completely (Everton at home), we lost too. Is that the kind of fluidity you're talking about?
 
prawnking said:
I see this cliche repeated a lot on here and I'm not really sure where the evidence for it is.

He's started every game this season, and last season the vast majority of the time played the full 90.

For the handful of games he didn't start in 20/21, for every Palace at home where we won, there's a Palace away where we lost.

And the one game he missed completely (Everton at home), we lost too. Is that the kind of fluidity you're talking about?
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When he came off against Watford and we scored a really well worked goal after about 2 minutes of him leaving the pitch. That's the kind of fluidity I'm talking about, if he's on the pitch that goal doesn't happen because he wouldn't be in the position Podence was to receive the ball and more likely than not would have belted it miles over marcals head.

Last season isn't a barometer either, completely different style of play.
 
WsWolf said:
When he came off against Watford and we scored a really well worked goal after about 2 minutes of him leaving the pitch. That's the kind of fluidity I'm talking about, if he's on the pitch that goal doesn't happen because he wouldn't be in the position Podence was to receive the ball and more likely than not would have belted it miles over marcals head.

Last season isn't a barometer either, completely different style of play.
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Well for every game like that you have one like Brighton last year where he came off the bench to equalise?

And if last season isn't the barometer, then what is? The season before, when he became our record PL assists provider?
 
prawnking said:
Well for every game like that you have one like Brighton last year where he came off the bench to equalise?

And if last season isn't the barometer, then what is? The season before, when he became our record PL assists provider?
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I still see Traore as an impact sub. Until free flowing pass and move comes naturally to him, he does not have that eye for a pass or move. Hwang clearly does and he has tricks and speed too. I would not mind seeing him up top in a 2 .
 
prawnking said:
Well for every game like that you have one like Brighton last year where he came off the bench to equalise?

And if last season isn't the barometer, then what is? The season before, when he became our record PL assists provider?
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Neither, I'm talking about this season which is under a different manager who used a completely different style of football and whether he actually fits in the way we are trying to play better than podence or hwang and I don't think he does. No good looking at what happened last year because it's irrelevant to the point.
 
WsWolf said:
Neither, I'm talking about this season which is under a different manager who used a completely different style of football and whether he actually fits in the way we are trying to play better than podence or hwang and I don't think he does. No good looking at what happened last year because it's irrelevant to the point.
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So your confident assertion that we're 'generally a lot more fluid' when he's not on the pitch comes solely from the last 9 minutes of the Watford game? Right.
 
The defence was cack for about 15 minutes and is rightly being called out, but let's not forget they've been fine for the rest and all of the previous 4 games..... we've scored 2.....that's 2 in 450 minutes of football.
 
prawnking said:
So your confident assertion that we're 'generally a lot more fluid' when he's not on the pitch comes solely from the last 9 minutes of the Watford game? Right.
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That and understanding his strengths and weaknesses, as well as the type of football we look to be playing. You obviously disagree but he's not an inside forward and he'll never have the movement off the ball or vision to be successful playing there, he'd be better as a wing back imo.
 
WsWolf said:
That and understanding his strengths and weaknesses, as well as the type of football we look to be playing. You obviously disagree but he's not an inside forward and he'll never have the movement off the ball or vision to be successful playing there, he'd be better as a wing back imo.
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Think what you like, but If you're making grand claims about how much better we play without him I'd take you more seriously if there was more evidence than 9 mins of football tbh.
 
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