I think it’s not going to get any better if the NFL is able to deflect blame to the Dolphins when the Dolphins did everything the NFL told them to do.
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I think it’s not going to get any better if the NFL is able to deflect blame to the Dolphins when the Dolphins did everything the NFL told them to do.
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If he was in the NFL's concussion protocol it would have said he was on the pre game practice reports. It didn't.
He went through the protocol and the independent neurosurgeon said it was not a concussion and it was a back injury that caused his symptoms. That’s why he’s listed as a back injury. He didn’t go through the return to play procedure because the neurosurgeon said he didn’t have a concussion. He did go through the diagnostic protocol.
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Right. Understanding where your stance is there. I think all that anyone can hope is that there is no blame culture here for any bugger but the lessons say this must be dealt with better in future. I am sure it will be tightened up.
It is still that way in college for the most part, but high force impacts are thankfully less frequent.
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Yeah, this isn't true, forces have increased due to player weight and speed.
Rules have made the biggest difference at college level.
Regards Tua, if the Dolphins really cared about Tua they'd have sat him out as he failed the most basic protocol which was to lose motor control.
There then proceeds an unholy mess of people not knowing what to do according to assumed protocols.
If the Dolphins followed the actual science they would've declared Tua unfit after his 2nd TBI (traumatic brain injury).
Hiding behind rules/ excuses didn't help Tua at any point.
If you think the Dolphins are the issue then the NCAA is the Wild West.
They’ve eliminated crackback blocks and any hits to the head better than the NFL has. Their concussion protocol a lot of times run by athletic trainers who have training in sports medicine and that’s it.
They’ve eliminated crackback blocks and any hits to the head better than the NFL has. Their concussion protocol a lot of times run by athletic trainers who have training in sports medicine and that’s it.
Pardon?
And additionally have all the same conflicting interests that organization doctors have with little to no oversight.
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You got something to add, then do so.
Um, anyway.
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Have you ever seen a TBI check?
If you have then you'd realise it can be done by athletic trainers and it doesn't need a doctor.
You certainly don't need to be a sports scientist and sports science has bugger all to do with TBI checks. Those checks were devised by neuroscientists to be easy to carry out (source; Virginia Tech, Duke)
The point is, if they fail the basic tests (which Tua did) then the player shouldn't be let back out onto the field.
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Nope, physics.
It's not a competition of protocols it's a standardisation error in the college game which varies conference to conference and it shouldn't. The protocols are set.
NCAA has no oversight. I’ve seen so many players get knocked out and reappear later in the game and almost always come back the next week.
Your whole thing about Tua just shows you don’t know the facts. The neurosurgeon said his motor control came from his back injury, that was his diagnosis. That’s why he was allowed to play. That has now been changed to have no gray area.
Your whole thing about Tua just shows you don’t know the facts. The neurosurgeon said his motor control came from his back injury, that was his diagnosis. That’s why he was allowed to play. That has now been changed to have no gray area.
Smaller and slower players produce more force. Yes, peak physics.
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I must have got the bit wrong where you mentioned players hit with less force now than they used to.
If I did then have up. We're you saying that?
Because if you were then you're wrong, players are, bigger, stronger and faster than they ever were.
If you weren't then what were you saying?
