The NFL Thread

[Johnny75]

Punts re contract and cap

Teams often put the biggest values in voidable years. Darius Slay signed for the Eagles on a headline $50.5m 3 year deal, but structured so that none of that is guaranteed in year 3 when he theoretically would earn $20m, so they'll either cut him after year 2 or rework the contract.

Contracts are often even longer from a cap perspective Slays is spread across 4 years, but with limited dead money in the final 2. Essentially the $50.5m will be $30m to Slay across 2 yesrs and $30m across 4 on the cap.

I'm fairly sure that if they spread the gaurenteed wage across a time period (as we do here) and then cut the player the club lose that cap room anyway. In Slay's case the Eagles cap cost on Slay would be $7.5m per year for 4 years regardless of what they do with the player himself.

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm fairly sure that if they spread the gaurenteed wage across a time period (as we do here) and then cut the player the club lose that cap room anyway. In Slay's case the Eagles cap cost on Slay would be $7.5m per year for 4 years regardless of what they do with the player himself.

That's not the case if the GM is smart. Slay's details are here for reference

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/darius-slay-12317/

 

[Johnny75]

That's not the case if the GM is smart. Slay's details are here for reference

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/darius-slay-12317/

So the cap is staggered, even cutting Slay means they have $10m in dead money over the last two seasons if cut.

 

[Tony Towner]

So the cap is staggered, even cutting Slay means they have $10m in dead money over the last two seasons if cut.

Yes, but still only costs them $30m in total and $4m in the current one. The plan will be to restructure other players contracts in the 2021 season to offset the load they'll bear for Slay that year, so always kicking the cap issue down the road.

You'll see here that Wentz was/is cap friendly in the first two years of his latest contract
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-18950/

Where it could eventually trip them up is they draft badly so struggle to balance the roster with good cheap talent.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Stared at that Slay contract for about 10 minutes. Understand how most of it works, but no way I work round the numbers it never adds up to $50m? Yearly cash is $43m after 3 years so where is the $50m from.

 

[Tony Towner]

Stared at that Slay contract for about 10 minutes. Understand how most of it works, but no way I work round the numbers it never adds up to $50m? Yearly cash is $43m after 3 years so where is the $50m from.

Apologies as this is pretty wordy but it's because he would have earned $10m odd at the Lions on the last season of his deal there so that gets deducted from the $60m his contract his worth over 4 years at the Eagles as it was classed as a trade with extension, so it's only $50m of theoretical new money.

He gets $16m more for two seasons at the Eagles than he would have got for 1 in Detroit and gets to boast about being the highest paid CB in the NFL even though in reality he won't be. Those figures are based on total new contract length. So it looks like he's on $16.7m a year for 3 years from 2021 when really he is on $13m for 2 from 2020. All plays into the ego

This Falcons one is cleaner. $45m headline only $30m guaranteed. As with Slay moving the cap into the third year. Not quite as team friendly as he's a younger player, but assuming they want to keep him they'll look to restructure before the 2022 season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/dante-fowler-jr-16727/

 

[PuntsWolf]

That makes sense. Cheers

 

[James]

Vince Mcmahon is reported as trying to buy back the xfl from bankruptcy

 

[Tony Towner]

I see Drew Brees has killed any chance the Saints had of winning the Superbowl with a tone deaf statement about respecting the flag which has torn their locker room apart.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...pernick-malcolm-jenkins-kneeling-george-floyd

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

Brees is a Texan and the overwhelming majority of Texans feel exactly the same way about the flag. But it is surprising that someone who has done so much for New Orleans and is now identified with that city would say what he has. Think it, but don't say it.

 

[Tony Towner]

And along comes the inevitable apology. He shouldn't have said it even if he believes it but also shouldn't apologise just because of the pile on.

 

[Alan]

I think having outspoken teammates willing to publicly pull him up for it maybe changed his perception.

Previous Saints' teams haven't had players like Jenkins who will say what they feel no matter what and dare to disagree with the Franchise QB. At least, not when racial matters came up.

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm not as sympathetic I'm afraid. Brees is your classic God bothering, land of the free, flag worshipping, Texan American that Trump plays to. That's what he was thinking of and has been shamed into climbing down, not because he's had an epiphany but because he's been shamed into it.

Malcolm Jenkins is a hero and letting him go because of your QB's own insecurity was a pathetic decision by Philly.

 

[The Bear]

Agreed Tony.

 

[Alan]

I'm not as sympathetic I'm afraid. Brees is your classic God bothering, land of the free, flag worshipping, Texan American that Trump plays to. That's what he was thinking of and has been shamed into climbing down, not because he's had an epiphany but because he's been shamed into it.

Malcolm Jenkins is a hero and letting him go because of your QB's own insecurity was a pathetic decision by Philly.

You can be shamed into an epiphany.

I was severely disappointed in Drew yesterday. Apologizing is at least showing some measure of humility. That's more than a lot would do.

Also, for the record, Dallas is a fairly liberal city. The urban centers in Texas are almost all liberal. It's the Texas outside those city limits that gets a little... Problematic.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

He went to high school in Austin - much more liberal than Dallas. But pretty much every white person (and many latinos) I know here would consider destroying the flag to be a capital offense.

 

[Tony Towner]

You can be shamed into an epiphany.

I was severely disappointed in Drew yesterday. Apologizing is at least showing some measure of humility. That's more than a lot would do.

Also, for the record, Dallas is a fairly liberal city. The urban centers in Texas are almost all liberal. It's the Texas outside those city limits that gets a little... Problematic.

Maybe. You are way closer to what's going on over there than i am. I guess I'm used to UK footballers fucking up and 'helped' to pull together a statement of contrition by their agent/club. It just feels like that to me.

Thanks for the information on Texas, i appreciate it's larger than the UK in size but it's easy to have a one size fits all stereotypical view from over here.

 

[Alan]

Maybe. You are way closer to what's going on over there than i am. I guess I'm used to UK footballers fucking up and 'helped' to pull together a statement of contrition by their agent/club. It just feels like that to me.

Thanks for the information on Texas, i appreciate it's larger than the UK in size but it's easy to have a one size fits all stereotypical view from over here.

No worries. Texas' reputation is far from unearned, but the metropolitan areas can and will surprise people are expect a ton of Tea Partiers.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

Okay.

Politically, Texas can now be considered a swing state in Presidential elections, and sooner or later it will vote Democrat. Internally it is still a Republican stronghold.

Culturally it is not at all liberal, and patriotism is very important. No confederate flags, but US flags in many front gardens. The view from my store is dominated by a flag flown by the petrol station over the road.

San Antonio is now officially the 7th largest city in the US, but is still essentially an oversized small town (according to its own residents).

The Republican chairman of Bexar County (San Antonio) has claimed this week that the whole George Floyd death is a hoax designed to weaken li'l donny. She previously claimed that the coronavirus is a democrat hoax.

Remember Dan Patrick (2nd highest TX state politician) "There are more important things than living".

Ted Cruz ('nuff said)

Last night on local tv, the LOCAL sports section (less than 5 minutes) started with Drew Brees and his apology. No opinion offered, but the presenter is very much a "good ole boy".

To be fair, there have been protests about George Floyd in SA every night for a week and the local tv coverage is much more sympathetic than it has ever been before. (this may be a turning point)

 

[Tredman]

I was Houston last year and really liked it, had a nice feel to it. Supposed to be in Austin later this year, but no idea if that will happen. Was quite looking forward to it as I’ve heard good things.