The Manager Sacked/Hired Thread 2014/15

[MARKakaJIM]

Isn't that true of most people that get appointed as DoF though, his backstory reads very 'Kevin Thelwell'.

 

[Lord Knows]

Isn't that true of most people that get appointed as DoF though, his backstory reads very 'Kevin Thelwell'.

True, I'm all for clubs going for better qualified lower profile appointments rather than the celebrity ex footballer. Recent stats show that of ex players 40% going into the game as a first time Manager get sacked and never return.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You'd think though - given that the upcoming window is quite obviously central to whether they stay up or not, as with the current squad they're going down - that making a switch in that department would involve someone with a bit more repute. Be they a big name from their own playing/coaching days, with contacts to match, or someone lower key but with a proven track record of signing quality, such as the guy who's just left Southampton for Spurs. The brief that Thelwell (for example) had wasn't to sign players to go and make an immediate impact in one of the top leagues in Europe, who presumably are going to come from highish end clubs themselves. He might bring in some gems who steer them to safety, who knows, just seems an odd change. Nobody for a nobody, right before a window opens.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You'd think though - given that the upcoming window is quite obviously central to whether they stay up or not, as with the current squad they're going down - that making a switch in that department would involve someone with a bit more repute. Be they a big name from their own playing/coaching days or someone with a proven track record of signing quality, such as the guy who's just left Southampton for Spurs. The brief that Thelwell (for example) had wasn't to sign players to go and make an immediate impact in one of the top leagues in Europe, who presumably are going to come from highish end clubs themselves. He might bring in some gems who steer them to safety, who knows, just seems an odd change. Nobody for a nobody, right before a window opens.

Longer term thinking perhaps?

Are you going to be put off signing for Leicester because you're now dealing with Jon Rudkin rather than Terry Robinson? Can't see it making a single bit of difference, don't think Leicester would've had any chance attracted anyone to that role with the sort of gravitas you're suggesting so may as well just stick in the guy who they think is best suited going forwards and just see what happens in the next 6 months. I don't think it'll really make a great deal of difference to any ongoing scouting or shortlisting that they've had going on under Robinson, unless he's got wind of his sacking beforehand and gone all cunty deleting the records out of spite but then i'm sure people would still remember the names of these high priority targets, emails will still be exchanging and whatever else.

Seems like a pretty risk free move to me, they weren't happy with the old guy so why give him another window to do more work they don't value?

 

[Lord Knows]

You'd think though - given that the upcoming window is quite obviously central to whether they stay up or not, as with the current squad they're going down - that making a switch in that department would involve someone with a bit more repute. Be they a big name from their own playing/coaching days, with contacts to match, or someone lower key but with a proven track record of signing quality, such as the guy who's just left Southampton for Spurs. The brief that Thelwell (for example) had wasn't to sign players to go and make an immediate impact in one of the top leagues in Europe, who presumably are going to come from highish end clubs themselves. He might bring in some gems who steer them to safety, who knows, just seems an odd change. Nobody for a nobody, right before a window opens.

I agree to a point but you have to expect professional clubs to do their homework on these appointments, who knows the bloke could prove to be an astute transfer market dealer.
In fact I thought the last Leicester City bloke did fantastic transfer market business for the club.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The other thing is it seems a bit backwards to me, at least as far as I understand the orthodox way that these structures work. Isn't it normally that those working behind the scenes have the sense of permanence while those in managerial roles are by their very nature transistory? But Leicester are doing it the other way round, Robinson came in during the summer of 2013 and Pearson has outlasted him. As I say - it might work out for them, just seems strange from the outside looking in.

I think Pearson's fortunate to be seemingly escaping with little pressure from above. No wins in three months, seemingly never changing tactics or approach, and being comprehensively outperformed at the moment by Sean Dyche who's had a fraction of the financial resources both short and long term and has on paper a far weaker squad. Robinson's the fall guy for what's gone wrong but I find it hard to believe that Pearson had no say in who was brought in and the key seems to be that the new signings aren't being used (something like 3 out of 11 played on Saturday, one being the keeper who stepped in for the injured Schmeichel) - who's to say that isn't just Pearson doing what Mick used to do at his worst and just resorting to using the same old faces that he knows and trusts, for all their faults?

 

[Johnny75]

I agree to a point but you have to expect professional clubs to do their homework on these appointments, who knows the bloke could prove to be an astute transfer market dealer.
In fact I thought the last Leicester City bloke did fantastic transfer market business for the club.

I'd agree with that. Ex-players in my experience have such poor knowledge of the game outside of playing it on a pifch. Putting them as DoF would be a disaster. Like most industries football is very incestuous and often the best people are the low profile ones.

 

[Lord Knows]

I think you generally get managers picking favourites when results go pear shaped and they alarm fans with what seems inane team shapes and team selections. Its the pressure of top line football management, every detail is scrutinized, the fans have never had so much access to each and every worldwide player.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'd agree with that. Ex-players in my experience have such poor knowledge of the game outside of playing it on a pifch. Putting them as DoF would be a disaster. Like most industries football is very incestuous and often the best people are the low profile ones.

By the same token, City and Chelsea entrust Txiki Begiristain and Michael Emenalo respectively with that task, at the very top end of the game. Most Sporting Directors in Germany are former players too.

 

[Lord Knows]

By the same token, City and Chelsea entrust Txiki Begiristain and Michael Emenalo respectively with that task, at the very top end of the game. Most Sporting Directors in Germany are former players too.

Would it be fair to say they are looking at the exclusive side of each market and paying top money whatever the age group. The celebrity handshake to just clinch the deal. The likes of Leicester have to find those away from the obvious glare.

 

[Johnny75]

By the same token, City and Chelsea entrust Txiki Begiristain and Michael Emenalo respectively with that task, at the very top end of the game. Most Sporting Directors in Germany are former players too.

I'm not saying they're not but you'd have been hard pressed tomfind people who knew who Emenalo was when he took his role. Barring the famous players (Sammer, Overmars) most have had to get a new career. I'm not sure knowledge of playing had that much impact on their role. More their ability to know the backroom stuff, get educated either business wise or coaching wise and move through the admin side.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'm not saying they're not but you'd have been hard pressed tomfind people who knew who Emenalo was when he took his role.

Will it surprise you if I tell you I did? :icon_lol:

Only because I remember him playing against us for Notts County at the start of 1994/5.

 

[Johnny75]

It wouldn't surprise me at all. I'd be more surprised if you didn't!!

 

[visage]

Mccoist has resigned at Rangers.

 

[darlowolf64]

Mccoist has resigned at Rangers.

and has to work a 12 month notice....

 

[broughtonwolf]

and has to work a 12 month notice....

at a vastly increased salary - tough gig...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Adkins sacked by Reading.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

After their defeat at Birmingham City, I think it was expected that Reading would feel the need to change the manager.

 

[Lycan]

He's had his hands tied to a certain extent with their budget while the takeover was going on and their season seems to be progressing just as their fans predicted so I've got a bit of sympathy for him.

 

[Carrotdude]

I really thought he'd be a better fit than he was regardless of the resources he had. They played some very ponderous and uninspiring stuff by all accounts. I have a few reading fan friends who have found the occasional brilliant display even more frustrating when they've been poor so often. Having said that if Jackett left tomorrow Adkins would be near the top of my replacement list