The Football News Thread 2017/18 - everything not Wolves

[Deutsch Wolf]

Sheff Wed are still in the cup, think this is Saturday's game brought forward.

 

[Kenny]

Sheff Wed are still in the cup, think this is Saturday's game brought forward.

It is

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Same for the Cardiff game. This isn't technically their "game in hand"

 

[big mean bunny]

7.45 saturday kick offs. Yuck

If nothing else this will stop me forgetting to make transfers for my fantasy side, so all for it!

 

[Kenny]

Same for the Cardiff game. This isn't technically their "game in hand"

Tis. This is their game from the 4th Round weekend. Brings them back level with everyone (bar Derby and Sheff Wed obvs)

 

[Johnny75]

Really? I find this view a little surprising to be honest. If there is a link between heading the ball and a person's health then we need to know.

With the amount of kids who regularly play the game we also need to know at what age heading the ball is "safe". That is, if we don't already know

We do know, that's the point. Heading a modern day football has little impact on the human brain. There isn't enough trauma or energy transfer from ball to skull and from skull to brain (it is the brain hitting the skull that causes the trauma).

Repetitive hitting has also been studied with mixed results but nothing definitive. Footballers are most at risk of concussions and head trauma, in the modern game, by the clash of heads. Heading and challenging for aerial balls are a causation of this, of this there is no doubt.

Historical equipment such as leather footballs retained water and temperature to the point the ball was a solid block, like a boxer wearing hand wraps drenched in water, and repeated heading of these items would no doubt have caused enough energy for concussive hits and elevated the risk of CTE.

 

[lemonjelly]

Interesting review of the 40 points a season needed to avoid relegation in the premier league.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43049564

 

[AndyWolves]

We do know, that's the point. Heading a modern day football has little impact on the human brain. There isn't enough trauma or energy transfer from ball to skull and from skull to brain (it is the brain hitting the skull that causes the trauma).

Repetitive hitting has also been studied with mixed results but nothing definitive. Footballers are most at risk of concussions and head trauma, in the modern game, by the clash of heads. Heading and challenging for aerial balls are a causation of this, of this there is no doubt.

Historical equipment such as leather footballs retained water and temperature to the point the ball was a solid block, like a boxer wearing hand wraps drenched in water, and repeated heading of these items would no doubt have caused enough energy for concussive hits and elevated the risk of CTE.

Fair enough, I don't know what any of the research looks like. If we know everything were ever going to know then fair do's.

Anecdotally you don't really here of any older, modern ish day footballers suffering from heading the ball.

 

[Alan]

As a general scientific rule we never know everything we're ever going to.

Of course when it comes to things like CTE it's difficult to know where things stand as it's nearly impossible to diagnose someone before they die.

 

[AndyWolves]

Funds may be better spent in understanding why some players are complete bellends and throw their careers away

 

[YoungWolf]

Fair enough, I don't know what any of the research looks like. If we know everything were ever going to know then fair do's.

Anecdotally you don't really here of any older, modern ish day footballers suffering from heading the ball.

Like Kevin Doyle?

 

[Alan]

Funds may be better spent in understanding why some players are complete bellends and throw their careers away

I think this has gone over my head tbh.

 

[Alan]

Like Kevin Doyle?

Taylor Twellman is the prominent American example. He does stateside commentary now and apparently he'll still spontaneously forget where he is.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Like Kevin Doyle?

Didn't he suffer from repeated concussions more than anything? Think the later distress from heading the ball was a bi-product of the previous, more serious impacts.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Funds may be better spent in understanding why some players are complete bellends and throw their careers away

Hmmmm

Well - ban gambling, womanising and alcohol and you have that dealt with in the majority of cases.

 

[Keef]

18years old and getting maybe 50k a week is going to make most people bellends,and let them think anything or anyone has a price and you can do what you want,and buy your way out of trouble you cause

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Think most of it just stems from the sheer scale of support footballers are given by clubs from a very early age now, particularly at the top level. Sure they have their uses in helping the players settle into a new area and such like in some cases but it's got to end up like a full grown man having a nanny at times. They never grow up because they never need to, they earn insane money and have someone else looking after any other responsibilities they become burdened with so just spend their spare time finding new ways to entertain themselves.

 

[Johnny75]

Like Kevin Doyle?

The common misconception is it was because of heading the ball. It wasn't. Doyle was concussed several times in head clashes.

Of course when it comes to things like CTE it's difficult to know where things stand as it's nearly impossible to diagnose someone before they die.

As you can't diagnose anybody with CTE without slicing their brain up then yes, they have to be dead. We can prove that heading a football doesn't have enough causation to cause CTE and concussion (different to having a ball blasted against your head).

 

[Johnny75]

Didn't he suffer from repeated concussions more than anything? Think the later distress from heading the ball was a bi-product of the previous, more serious impacts.

Indeed, repeated concussions and not allowing the brain to heal whilst still experiencing sub-concussive impacts are known to be causes of CTE.

Experiencing multiple concussions in a short space of time (less than 30 days) can lead to permanent impairment. All of this is known science. Hard to see what the FA can spend more money on if the science is known.

 

[Johnny75]

Taylor Twellman is the prominent American example. He does stateside commentary now and apparently he'll still spontaneously forget where he is.

Twellman's concussion and subsequent whiplash was as a result of a mid-air collision with a goalkeeper. Nothing to do with heading the ball.

It's disinformation and pretty dangerous that people pedal stuff they don't understand as fact. It leads to stupid decisions by people that don't understand or worse still know nothing about the science behind it.

It's mainly the fault of the media (social and print) that get hold of something without fully understanding it and then social media will become outraged and hang off facts which aren't. It is up to the scientific community and governing bodies to address this and perhaps that's where the money should go. Educating the masses.