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The Football News Thread 2017/18 - everything not Wolves

YoungWolf said:
The point Hyde makes about negative stereotyping comes from academic research I believe mate. And I agree with it. It doesn't just stop at people joking about black men having enormous penises does it? We've already seen pundits go on about Lukaku and Pogba's power/physique without acknowledging their other, more prevalent (IMO) talents. I think it all ties in. Though I understand others don't agree often with me on this matter.

I know some see it as 'banter' (which I find a fine line anyway) and there is always the political correctness debate but for me I don't really see how it's 'funny'. Seems a pretty low bar is that is a funny chant to me. I have generally looked at those type of chants as pretty classless.

Kick It Out also raised concerns to Chelsea regarding their Morata chant which is anti-semitic. So they aren't just picking and choosing when to decide something is offensive. Morata himself does not want to be associated with it.
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I get it comes from academic research but still by assuming that everyone singing the song has negative stereotypical opinions of black people is making a sweeping generalisation that surely contradicts what she's trying to say. If you the research way you could for example say Lukaku statistically is more likely to have a bigger penis than the majority of those singing the song which i guess are white males and so the song can be backed up by statistics. Not that was ever the case but you can make anything fit an agenda if you want to.

There is a fine line between banter and stepping over the line i agree and as someone who doesn't get offended easily imo i find it hard to get offended by lots of comments/jokes that are clearly meant in a light hearted way but we are in danger over over doing this culture where everyone gets offended by everything and it will only cause more problems. I don't think it's that funny either and i certainly wouldn't sing it about a Wolves player but i just think it's been made a bigger story than it actually is.

I had seen that about Morata and that he doesn't want his name in the song which is fair enough but i would also argue that Chelsea fans usage of the term "yid" is not meant in a light hearted way so Kick It Out and whoever are well within their rights to raise concerns over it. I understand it can be hard to differentiate sometimes and maybe condemning all comments that could be perceived as racist covers it all but it can't be that simple. I mean Spurs still sing about being yids but nothing much seems to said about that, you hear the odd murmur now and again and can guarantee most of those Spurs fans are not Jews now so should they be singing it, i'd more be worried about those sort of songs and the Chelsea one than the Lukaku song.
 
slink said:
I get it comes from academic research but still by assuming that everyone singing the song has negative stereotypical opinions of black people is making a sweeping generalisation that surely contradicts what she's trying to say. If you the research way you could for example say Lukaku statistically is more likely to have a bigger penis than the majority of those singing the song which i guess are white males and so the song can be backed up by statistics. Not that was ever the case but you can make anything fit an agenda if you want to.

There is a fine line between banter and stepping over the line i agree and as someone who doesn't get offended easily imo i find it hard to get offended by lots of comments/jokes that are clearly meant in a light hearted way but we are in danger over over doing this culture where everyone gets offended by everything and it will only cause more problems. I don't think it's that funny either and i certainly wouldn't sing it about a Wolves player but i just think it's been made a bigger story than it actually is.

I had seen that about Morata and that he doesn't want his name in the song which is fair enough but i would also argue that Chelsea fans usage of the term "yid" is not meant in a light hearted way so Kick It Out and whoever are well within their rights to raise concerns over it. I understand it can be hard to differentiate sometimes and maybe condemning all comments that could be perceived as racist covers it all but it can't be that simple. I mean Spurs still sing about being yids but nothing much seems to said about that, you hear the odd murmur now and again and can guarantee most of those Spurs fans are not Jews now so should they be singing it, i'd more be worried about those sort of songs and the Chelsea one than the Lukaku song.
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Great article here on the times about this (behind a paywall though sadly)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...lu-lukaku-chant-is-simply-offensive-9n0062868
The gist is stereotyping black people as one thing or another is nonsense - just as you wouldn’t characterise a white Finn as X because a white Briton is X, why would we do the same for Black people.
 
The Carabao Cup draw will take place on Wednesday evening upon the conclusion of Manchester United v Burton Albion on Sky. Should there be a definitive result after 90 minutes it means that the draw should take place at around 10pm.

What channel is it on..Sky Sports Football and Sky Sports Main Event.

Where is the draw being held...Not Beijing this time as it was for the third round. It’s being held in Sky Sports studios in west London.
 
I presume it is just a straight forward Home / Away draw.

The 2nd round draw that was done in the Sky Studios was one big confused clusterfuck
 
Not sure what the ideal scenario is? Home tie against a PL club who won't take it too serious?

Or a home tie against Norwich/Bournemouth/Palace whose second or even first teams we could beat.

Worst case is definitely away ties to Norwich or Boro
 
I'd like bristol City at home...

Sampson sacked (or people saying he has 'left' anyway). More to come out about the whole thing from what I hear...
 
My stance on cups is that I want to go as far as possible in them, so I always want whichever the least threatening team left in the competition is. Stuff like an away stadium it's easy to get to are secondary, as nice as they are.

That said it's all much of a muchness now, no real minnows left, so assuming no shocks tonight, I guess any of the less-threatening Championship teams? Bristol City would probably be best, idk.
 
Stinks of a cover up to come to me. He’s either guilty - in which case investigate and sack him, or he’s innocent in which case investigate and clear him (properly this time).
 
Looks like a separation with some form of non-disclosure agreement. easy way out for everyone.
 
tredman said:
Stinks of a cover up to come to me. He’s either guilty - in which case investigate and sack him, or he’s innocent in which case investigate and clear him (properly this time).
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If they've not bothered investigating (I don't think they have properly), then it isn't even a cover up. How bad is that?
 
Cover up is perhaps the wrong phrase, it’s the FA covering their own backs because if they did investigate they’d be shown to be a bunch of out of touch dinosaurs.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Or Leeds.

Let's go West Ham away. Wembley can wait until we reach the final.
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Leeds is accessible if I decided to go. The others definitely aren't (for me anyway without taking an afternoon off)
 
lemonjelly said:
If they've not bothered investigating (I don't think they have properly), then it isn't even a cover up. How bad is that?
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tredman said:
Cover up is perhaps the wrong phrase, it’s the FA covering their own backs because if they did investigate they’d be shown to be a bunch of out of touch dinosaurs.
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Pretty much. I think it will all come out in the end however.
 
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