The Football News Thread 2016/17 - everything not Wolves

[The Bear]

Yes. The gorilla comparison was a reference to his intellect, not his ancestry.

It's such a bullshit accusation by people desperate to find offence.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

No it fucking isn't you buffoon.

As soon as someone finds it racist then it is. End of fucking argument.

 

[The Bear]

Ah the standard 'Paddy disagrees so throws the insults about' stance.

I'm not getting involved with this shite again.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hmmm

Without insults then

YOU have previous for not recognising sexism

YOU have previous for not recognising racism

All banter innit, no doubt.

 

[The Bear]

In YOUR opinion.

I disagree. Especially the racism bit. I don't remember what you're on about at all.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Also after Mackenzie was racist about the Channel Four presenter and excused by IPSO you can't really blame anybody for suggesting his sentiment was racist here too imo. I'd say it was racist because "I didn't know he was mixed race" shouldn't wash. If you're using language susceptible to being interpreted as racist then it's on the individual to adjust their behaviour not the "offendee" to be less offended.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

In YOUR opinion.

I disagree. Especially the racism bit. I don't remember what you're on about at all.

Your sexism is basically "she deserved it style" posts. And you just never see it. In MY opinion.

So your failure to understand that racism is entirely within the eye of the beholder in law is hardly a shock.

 

[Alan]

Even if the journo didn't mean for his comments to target Barkley's race, any time you're making monkey comparisons you must be aware of such things.

The fact is that black and mixed individuals have been compared to monkeys for something like hundreds of years. It behooves white people to be sensitive to this.

One wonders why the comparison had to be "a gorilla at the zoo" when it could easily have been "a plumber who can't be arsed to get his tools out of his truck".

 

[The Bear]

Your sexism is basically "she deserved it style" posts. And you just never see it. In MY opinion.

So your failure to understand that racism is entirely within the eye of the beholder in law is hardly a shock.

Completely unfair. Just because I have a different opinion to you about the punishment and stigma men get in such crimes. I've never disputed the actual offences, just social perceptions.

And implying I'm racist is completely unfair and baseless too.

You get very precious and upset if anyone ever implies you may have had a drink to explain your aggressive posting, so just remember that when you start accusing others.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hmmmm

Okaaaay

I will try again

Isms are in the eye of the beholder.

Your record with she deserved it is staggeringly bad.

So I will happily ignore your attempted call that Kelvin Mackenzie using "gorilla" about a mixed-race person was actually referring to their intellect.

 

[The Bear]

Even if the journo didn't mean for his comments to target Barkley's race, any time you're making monkey comparisons you must be aware of such things.

The fact is that black and mixed individuals have been compared to monkeys for something like hundreds of years. It behooves white people to be sensitive to this.

One wonders why the comparison had to be "a gorilla at the zoo" when it could easily have been "a plumber who can't be arsed to get his tools out of his truck".

You're right. He definitely should have been more sensitive to the comparison. It's not even an accurate slur either, as gorillas are quite clever in comparison to most animals. However if he had said the same thing about say, Wayne Rooney, no-one would have made such a fuss. As it turns out people have pointed out that Barkley's grandad was black, so therefore it must be a racist comment.

And I had no idea that Barkley had black ancestry either, so it's not surprising if Mckenzie didn't. He doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke who does any actual research on people.

 

[Alan]

Things can be unintentionally racist, Bear.

 

[Keef]

Coventry relegated to league two

 

[The Bear]

Coventry relegated to league two

Good. I have no real reason to hate them other than I used to have a manager at work who was a collossal arsehole and he loved them, so I in turn now despise them!

 

[Keef]

Good. I have no real reason to hate them other than I used to have a manager at work who was a collossal arsehole and he loved them, so I in turn now despise them!

As good a reason as any tbh

 

[Tony Towner]

You're right. He definitely should have been more sensitive to the comparison. It's not even an accurate slur either, as gorillas are quite clever in comparison to most animals. However if he had said the same thing about say, Wayne Rooney, no-one would have made such a fuss. As it turns out people have pointed out that Barkley's grandad was black, so therefore it must be a racist comment.

And I had no idea that Barkley had black ancestry either, so it's not surprising if Mckenzie didn't. He doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke who does any actual research on people.

He also called him the missing link. It's racist ffs

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Kelvin McKenzie has been suspended by the Sun who have apologised for the article which has now been removed from their website.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Does anybody else think it's coincidental that Mackenzie and The Sun have known about this story since it broke 5 days ago but have waited until today - the day before the Hillsbrough anniversary - to come out with this article? As Paddy says, that cancer Murdoch and the rest of his cockroaches have never forgiven the city of Liverpool for boycotting The Sun and giving them a bloody lip.

The Sun suspending him is at best disengenuous when it's them who published his bile in the first place? This isn't like, let's say Kilroy-Silk who was sacked by ITV after his Muslim rant elsewhere - in The Express.

 

[Penk Wolf]

It's a strange one. Comparing someone's intelligence to an animal isn't racist regardless, but why he chose to use a gorilla as an example is odd.

I'm not sure how he's been racist if he didn't know he was of mixed race.

 

[Lord Knows]

Tony Adams doing a Dean Saunders impression.

http://www.givemesport.com/1030526-...-very-strange-during-granada-training-session