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The Blame Game

Your are still wrong. When the ball is played in Bennett is sprinting, Kane is jogging at best, if the ball is going to Kane Bennett gets there ahead of him, he checks his run as he can see it's going over him. Please just watch the goal again, because you are beginning to look a bit silly.

If you want to pin a goal on Bennett, look at the third where he gets sucked towards the ball whilst Kane pulls back, although a couple of others don't cover themselves in glory either.
 
First picture everyone is marking, good stuff. They might be calling Doherty but they don't actually need him and if anything Moutinho is the closest spare man that could come in a provide an extra body.

Second picture Doherty has started tucking in, Moutinho has took about 3 steps, Neves lost Son and Boly has come to the near post leaving Lamela free.

Third picture Coady has been attracted to Lamela as he was allowed to run off Boly, Bennett caught in no mans land between Kane and Moura where he's either being beaten to the ball by the former or having it drop over his head to the latter and you've got the trio of Moutinho, Neves and Cavaleiro just milling about on the edge of the box letting Son go wherever he wants to pick up the pieces.

Could Doherty do more? Sure he could. Would I say I expect a wingback to be marking someone back inside his own six yard box? Probably not. There are a lot of errors in the defending of that passage of play, Doherty's role only comes in right at the end where he could potentially cover at the last minute and everything else would be ignored but Moutinho and Cavaleiro do absolutely nothing in that whole passage, Jonny does very little above that just standing really narrow until the goes to Trippier, Neves makes an attempt to press Son before he plays it out wide but then completely ignores him as he runs into the box afterward. Ideally I wouldn't want to have my back three man for man very often but there are times when it will and they have to take responsibility, pick up their men and win their individual battles, Boly didn't engage with his, Coady got dragged into the wrong one as a result and Bennett got caught between the two remaining men.

Be interesting to see how much discussion there would be if Doherty had got back in a bit quicker and thwarted Moura's effort only for it to drop for Son to hammer in the rebound, would Moutinho and/or Neves be under the same scrutiny? To my mind they were both far more passive with their tasks in that move than Doherty.

Spot on.
 
Your are still wrong. When the ball is played in Bennett is sprinting, Kane is jogging at best, if the ball is going to Kane Bennett gets there ahead of him, he checks his run as he can see it's going over him. Please just watch the goal again, because you are beginning to look a bit silly.

If you want to pin a goal on Bennett, look at the third where he gets sucked towards the ball whilst Kane pulls back, although a couple of others don't cover themselves in glory either.

I don't want to pin it on Bennett, or anyone in particular, the whole thing is a culmination of several fairly small errors and I don't think there is really any one player that allows it all to fall apart. My objection was with the 'oh look at Doherty not getting to Moura even though someone pointed at him, must be his fault because I don't like him anyway'.

As I see it you've got problems at the start with no-one picking up Lamela, when he makes his move towards goal that creates an overload which never really gets addressed, Jonny starts the move too narrow which makes it difficult for him to get out to Trippier, Lamela again gets free as Boly goes to the near post which makes the overload in the middle even worse, Neves also not helping that as he lets Son run off him. Cavaleiro and Moutinho are just dawdling around on the edge of the box not really contributing anything at any point too. If the cross drops differently and it gets cleared away by a defender then there wouldn't be anything that apparent that people would be breathing a big sigh of relief thinking they'd got away with one there but when you look at all the little indiscretions in sequence you can see how the backline ends up in a mess with several Tottenham players finding themselves in positions where they'd be able to get off an easy attempt at goal should the ball fall for them.

It's fine margins in several moments, all crammed within 10 seconds or so from the ball coming down Tottenham's left with Davies to it ending up in the net after a cross from the opposite side, too many players don't react quickly enough or make the wrong decision when in an awkward position and it all ends up a mess where you're just looking for someone to step up and provide a big of individual heroism to deny the opportunity as the system had fallen apart.
 
Your are still wrong. When the ball is played in Bennett is sprinting, Kane is jogging at best, if the ball is going to Kane Bennett gets there ahead of him, he checks his run as he can see it's going over him. Please just watch the goal again, because you are beginning to look a bit silly.

If you want to pin a goal on Bennett, look at the third where he gets sucked towards the ball whilst Kane pulls back, although a couple of others don't cover themselves in glory either.

So you believe that Doherty is more at fault for 2nd goal than Bennett?
 
I don't believe Bennett is to blame at all as I've watched the team enough over the last twelve months to know he was doing what he's coached to do.
 

Nope he's wrong. Anybody that has seen us defend at all over the last 12 months can see that. You can argue the system hasn't worked and if one of the pieces in that system fails to do their job then yes the system will fall over.

So you believe that Doherty is more at fault for 2nd goal than Bennett?

Don't you?

That's a rhetorical question. We all know where you stand on Doherty so there's no need to get all bent out of shape because somebody has pointed out he is more than likely in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
I don't believe Bennett is to blame at all as I've watched the team enough over the last twelve months to know he was doing what he's coached to do.

So what Bennett did for this goal is exactly what he should have done?
 
Nope he's wrong. Anybody that has seen us defend at all over the last 12 months can see that. You can argue the system hasn't worked and if one of the pieces in that system fails to do their job then yes the system will fall over.



Don't you?

That's a rhetorical question. We all know where you stand on Doherty so there's no need to get all bent out of shape because somebody has pointed out he is more than likely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Eh? Where do you think I stand on Doherty?
 
I don't believe Bennett is to blame at all as I've watched the team enough over the last twelve months to know he was doing what he's coached to do.

Coached to let his man get goal side of him in the middle of the six yard box?

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Christ you are a tiresome prick, I can't be bothered anymore.

If all else fails, throw some insults around, pleasure doing business with you,

Next week I'm going to pick a random player to hate for the game and then I'll see what I can come up with to try and blame them for any goals that get conceded, see if it's anymore fun from that side of the fence.
 
Christ you are a tiresome prick, I can't be bothered anymore.

I'm surprised you went as long as you did with him. Not even a Wolves fan and knows fuck all about how we have set up in the last 12 months but carries on with his own view of the world regardless.
 
I'm surprised you went as long as you did with him. Not even a Wolves fan and knows fuck all about how we have set up in the last 12 months but carries on with his own view of the world regardless.
Surely the fact that he isn't a Wolves fan means he less likely to have his opinion swayed by preconceived, historical, entrenched views on a player?

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Surely the fact that he isn't a Wolves fan means he less likely to have his opinion swayed by preconceived, historical, entrenched views on a player?

But you must accept there's some validity in looking at Doherty's role in the following goals?

Everton (H) 1st and 2nd
Leicester (A) 1st
Brighton (A)
Tottenham (A) 2nd

In fact if you look at the OP there's no suggestion that those goals are all his fault, others get blame too (sometimes more), he is partially liable though.

People aren't picking on Matt Doherty because he was a fat wankbag three years ago. That's gone. This is now, when he plays well he gets praise (quite a lot of it), when he's not defending very well or missing really easy chances, he gets stick.

You might note that TWF heroes Willy Boly and Rui Patricio aren't far behind him on the running count. It's all an agenda though, maaaaaaan.
 
What I find laughable here is that apparently Bennett is not at fault at all, which is incredible. Mark is being called names for saying otherwise, pathetic really.

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Mark gets called names after a while because he doesn't understand how to discuss anything like a normal person. It's an immensely frustrating experience.

Again if you look at the OP, look who is there for the second goal on Saturday.
 
Yeah I looked at the OP. A couple I wouldn't agree with, but that's down to opinion.

Somehow though this conversation now has Jonny and TT saying that Bennett isn't at all to blame for the goal.

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Yeah I looked at the OP. A couple I wouldn't agree with, but that's down to opinion.

Somehow though this conversation now has Jonny and TT saying that Bennett isn't at all to blame for the goal.

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You are quite correct I don't think Bennett is at fault for the second goal. He's doing his job. You could argue he should be a better thinker than that and read the danger better but Ryan has developed as a footballer in this system and thinks and plays the way he does because he does what is coached and not what he thinks he should do.

It's fairly clear to me that Doherty has switched off for that goal and let a player he knew to be there and was told about to be free in the area. The biggest fault for the goal is Jonny's IMO for letting Trippier pick his spot.
 
Mark gets called names after a while because he doesn't understand how to discuss anything like a normal person. It's an immensely frustrating experience.

Again if you look at the OP, look who is there for the second goal on Saturday.
Well that's just charming.
 
You are quite correct I don't think Bennett is at fault for the second goal. He's doing his job. You could argue he should be a better thinker than that and read the danger better but Ryan has developed as a footballer in this system and thinks and plays the way he does because he does what is coached and not what he thinks he should do.

It's fairly clear to me that Doherty has switched off for that goal and let a player he knew to be there and was told about to be free in the area. The biggest fault for the goal is Jonny's IMO for letting Trippier pick his spot.

I couldn't agree more. The goal and its build up was so similar to Albrighton's cross at Leicester that Docherty headed brilliantly into his own net. Jonny didn't close down Trippier (similar to what he did with Albrighton) and maybe Docherty refrained from running back to defend the open man (Lucas Mora) for fear he would put through his own goal again. But Docherty was clearly at fault on this goal, not Bennett.
 
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