Summer 2021 transfer window

[Paddingtonwolf]

Nicely argued. I thought this place was meant to be better than this? Oh well.

Dear me. We disagree. Last time I looked this wasn’t the House of Lords and needing incisive comment when disagreeing. I think your argument is bollocks. So I called it that.

 

[prawnking]

Also seems ridiculous to expect a defender to be perfect when going up against the caliber of attacking player that you expect in the Prem.

He's been skinned by John McGinn FFS!

 

[AndyWolves]

Also seems ridiculous to expect a defender to be perfect when going up against the caliber of attacking player that you expect in the Prem.

He may get roasted in 1-on-1 defending at times but more often than not he's at least in a position to stop things or at least slow them down. Doc had the same propensity for getting roasted but was actually in a position to be roasted far less often, in no small part because he could never be bothered to do anything more than briskly walk toward our own goal.

I agree with this, the stats say he gets dribbled against most too

 

[AndyWolves]

He's been skinned by John McGinn FFS!

McGinn has the 2nd most successful dribbles at Villa, succeeds about 75% of the time

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Doherty played around Boly and Jota/Podence far more if I remember rightly.

Would you take Doherty back?

Depends on the long term plan.

For all the elements of the game that Semedo does better than Doherty, the team isn't currently looking any better off for it, the heavily criticised predecessor actually works better in that setup than the guy with the glittering background.

Doherty is a nonsense of a wingback but with Wolves generally playing such a rigid and conservative system his nonsense was not just affordable but almost essential to provide some variation to the attacking play. Now Wolves have a much more conventional player in his role and have lost that unpredictability it's exposing shortcomings elsewhere in the side, namely the lack of ambition from the midfielders to attack and the isolated arrangement of the front three.

If Wolves have plans to be more expansive going forwards then they should be able to make up the output they've lost since Doherty went, if it's going to be same old conservative Nuno them you'd be better off bringing him back. It's not like Semedo even makes the conservative approach more solid as he has at least one brainless defensive moment a game anyway.

 

[PuntsWolf]

McGinn has the 2nd most successful dribbles at Villa, succeeds about 75% of the time

Quoting random stats is pointless. Adding context to them and they have some value.

McGinn making the second most dribbles at 75% is irrelevant to whether he should get past Semedo near the corner flag.

 

[AndyWolves]

Quoting random stats is pointless. Adding context to them and they have some value.

McGinn making the second most dribbles at 75% is irrelevant to whether he should get past Semedo near the corner flag.

I've already posted stats elsewhere that Semedo has the best stats at the club at not being beaten when dribbled against.

Defenders are going to get beaten, it's what Neto and Adama do every single game

 

[YoungWolf]

He had a ropey 15 minutes as all players are prone to in games.

Agree with this, he had a stinker in that period tbf.

I really like him tbh, he defends 1v1 far between than I expected him too and he’s better under pressure with the ball than I expected. He’s improved aerially recently too. I think he will be one of those that people realise he’s pretty good once they see him in person too

I do get those saying they would have liked him to hit the ground running for the money he cost though.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I've already posted stats elsewhere that Semedo has the best stats at the club at not being beaten when dribbled against.

Defenders are going to get beaten, it's what Neto and Adama do every single game

Didn’t say you haven’t? A poster made reference to McGinn beating Semedo as a bad thing. You then posted stats which suggested you don’t think it’s a bad thing. Those stats don’t show what you were trying to say (or I thought you were trying to say).

 

[Tony Towner]

This week on TWF:

Silva should play ahead of Jose because at least he misses chances

(It's implied) Semedo is better than Doherty because:
At least he's there to get beaten
He's our best performing Summer signing
John McGinn is the second best dribbler at Aston Villa.

In terms of expecations a limbo dancer couldn't get below those bars

 

[Derby Wolf]

This week on TWF:

Silva should play ahead of Jose because at least he misses chances

(It's implied) Semedo is better than Doherty because:
At least he's there to get beaten
He's our best performing Summer signing
John McGinn is the second best dribbler at Aston Villa.

In terms of expecations a limbo dancer couldn't get below those bars

Only three weeks till another game. The barrel will be getting scraped like never before come April Fools Day.

 

[Del Woppio]

Behave yourself.

For the past two months Semedo has mostly been playing in and around Dendonker and Traore, and he has still progressed his performance.

Yeah he has progressed to looking decent, from looking fucking terrible. He still has nowhere near enough impact on the game at either end to justify the reputation, the fee or the wages

 

[AndyWolves]

Didn’t say you haven’t? A poster made reference to McGinn beating Semedo as a bad thing. You then posted stats which suggested you don’t think it’s a bad thing. Those stats don’t show what you were trying to say (or I thought you were trying to say).

Semedo gets dribbled against the most of all wolves players, therefore will get beaten the most in terms of counts. However, the percentages show Semedo being the best performer when being dribbled against.

The stats also show McGinn completes 75% of his dribbles, therefore it's not that unusual to expect him to dribble past a player. Or, more accurately, it's not the world ending event it appears considering it happens 75% of the time the player attempts it.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Semedo gets dribbled against the most of all wolves players, therefore will get beaten the most in terms of counts. However, the percentages show Semedo being the best performer when being dribbled against.

The stats also show McGinn completes 75% of his dribbles, therefore it's not that unusual to expect him to dribble past a player. Or, more accurately, it's not the world ending event it appears considering it happens 75% of the time the player attempts it.

But have you considered why McGinn has the second most dribbles for his team
Toggle it to per90 and he is actually number 7...

Have you considered the style of Villa and McGinn as to why he may have more dribble success?

Have you considered the areas of the pitch he often operates in and who he typically comes up against in these which then have a bearing on number of dribbles and completion success?

You can quote stats all day, but unless you actually think about them and add context they are irrelevant.

 

[AndyWolves]

But have you considered why McGinn has the second most dribbles for his team
Toggle it to per90 and he is actually number 7...

Have you considered the style of Villa and McGinn as to why he may have more dribble success?

Have you considered the areas of the pitch he often operates in and who he typically comes up against in these which then have a bearing on number of dribbles and completion success?

You can quote stats all day, but unless you actually think about them and add context they are irrelevant.

It challenges the assertion that McGinn is rubbish at dribbling past people. I said he has the second most successful dribbles of the entire villa team, not over 90. He's 6th over 90 minutes but 3 players above him have played a handful of games.

But even so, if he can do something successfully 75% of the time it suggests he isn't rubbish at it.

Most of McGinns touches are in the midfield or attacking 1/3s. He has the third most shot creating actions over the course of the season.

To compare to Neves and Moutinho in terms of successful dribbles. Neves has 11 and Moutinho 9, McGinn has 42.

Maybe, just maybe, the perception of McGinn being rubbish at beating a man might not be true.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It challenges the assertion that McGinn is rubbish at dribbling past people. I said he has the second most successful dribbles of the entire villa team, not over 90. He's 6th over 90 minutes but 3 players above him have played a handful of games.

But even so, if he can do something successfully 75% of the time it suggests he isn't rubbish at it.

Most of McGinns touches are in the midfield or attacking 1/3s. He has the third most shot creating actions over the course of the season.

To compare to Neves and Moutinho in terms of successful dribbles. Neves has 11 and Moutinho 9, McGinn has 42.

Maybe, just maybe, the perception of McGinn being rubbish at beating a man might not be true.

But again, you haven’t considered the style of McGinn himself, what Villa ask him to do, who he comes up against doing it. “Running around like a headless chicken” I think he has been described as on here before. And whilst he is running around he is often running past people like Neves and Moutinho.

He is succeeding at 1.62 dribbles per 90. Which could be 1.62 line breaking runs against a static JWP, or Moutinho hanging out a leg.

I’m sure if you broke down his stats into dribbles against a FB near the corner flag his attempts would Be very low and his success rate very low.

Like I said, No context to the stats you provided implying McGinn beating Semedo in the corner flag is an expected outcome more often than not.

 

[Tredman]

Is Semedo the new Traore?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Is Semedo the new Traore?

I haven’t argued against Semedo tbf in this. Just 3rd partied a debate questioning the argument.

 

[Johnny75]

Is Semedo the new Traore?

Nah, Semedo is a good player.

/Tapin

 

[Tredman]

Nah, Semedo is a good player.

/Tapin

I did kinda ask for that