Summer 2021 transfer window

[Paul]

I'm not here implying people who don't like Traore are lesser Wolves fans than me. If I disagree with a take I'll engage and put a counter argument rather than ignore the point, take the moral highground and bleat about the mean men stopping me enjoying threads or preventing things being 'nice'

Why does it always have to be a personal dig then if your such an advocate of counter argument, and I don't have the moral high ground, your football arguments is just as valid as Cybers or my Mom

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You can't be saying they sold Beckham with the main purpose of bringing Ronaldo in his place?!

Well they had to to a point, didn't they?

Becks had two years left on his deal (I think) and wasn't in a rush to sign a new one. He was 28 so at peak value, only going one way from there. If he'd stayed, Ronaldo was hardly ever going to play - not that he actually did play that much in his first season, as we've seen. Given values at the time, it was a good price from Real. Worked for everyone.

Not a straight either/or choice but if you view Ronaldo as a generational talent - which he obviously did end up being, in fact becoming a world legend, and eventually he and United had a seriously golden period together - then you'd remove a fairly obvious bar to him getting gametime. Unless you think Fergie would have sat England's captain, their primary provider of assists and one of the world's most famous people on the bench for an entire season for an unknown, hit and miss 18 year old at the time...

In the same way we haven't directly moved Jota on to fund Fabio, but it's all part of the bigger picture. If he's here and available then Raul being fit or not, Fabio is hardly going to play.

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm not writing him off, he may well still come good and like everyone else I hope he does. I thought it was a signing that was a vanity project/hubris/taking a sniff in the Summer, but that didn't mean it wouldn't work. I thought it was a silly move to make from the lads perspective and the position we put him in terms of the expectation, but hoped he'd handle it and for all I know at the moment he may well be.

After watching him play I think it's an even bigger gamble though, I can see the football brain in his movement and hold up play and although it's a cliche there's is something in 'he has to be in the correct place to miss it', although he was portrayed in the Summer as a finisher which surprises. However the biggest gamble is on his physical development, that's where the largest shortfall is in terms of where he's at and where he needs to get to. We don't know how he will fill out and if he puts musscle on what impact that will have to his overall strength and how it affects his overall play. For me that's one projection too far

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well they had to to a point, didn't they?

Becks had two years left on his deal (I think) and wasn't in a rush to sign a new one. He was 28 so at peak value, only going one way from there. If he'd stayed, Ronaldo was hardly ever going to play - not that he actually did play that much in his first season, as we've seen. Given values at the time, it was a good price from Real. Worked for everyone.

Not a straight either/or choice but if you view Ronaldo as a generational talent - which he obviously did end up being, in fact becoming a world legend, and eventually he and United had a seriously golden period together - then you'd remove a fairly obvious bar to him getting gametime. Unless you think Fergie would have sat England's captain, their primary provider of assists and one of the world's most famous people on the bench for an entire season for an unknown, hit and miss 18 year old at the time...

In the same way we haven't directly moved Jota on to fund Fabio, but it's all part of the bigger picture. If he's here and available then Raul being fit or not, Fabio is hardly going to play.

Wasn't it more that Real really wanted Becks, he quite fancied going and Fergie was looking to shake up the squad a bit, as he did so well. Then Ronaldo was signed to plug the gap, albeit intermittently in that first season.

Doesn't feel right to suggest Beckham was only sold to allow Ronaldo game time, think the outgoing transfer was happening regardless of Ronaldo, just probably would've been a more established name replacing him rather than a relatively unknown kid most times. Think the potential they saw in Ronaldo, that friendly game being part of it, perhaps accelerated the signing and his introduction to the first team. As you say he'd been watched for a very long time but probably wasn't considered ready to be a true first choice player but they had to move fast as others were circling by that time.

Wolves' move for Silva seems far more rushed though, no more desperate for a new forward than in previous years and nothing to suggest he would've gone elsewhere if they hadn't moved imminently. Not like the fee was too good to pass up either.

 

[Jinky]

He’s a professional footballer that has been signed by a Premier League club for a record fee. That’s what he’s being judged on, regardless of age.

And at the moment, he looks average at best.

I would happily not watch him plod around the pitch again at any point this season or next, much like I would happily not read another excuse about his age or that he “wasn’t supposed to be playing”. That’s fast becoming more tedious than the weekly Adama debate.

The fact that he is playing is another shortcoming of the club and our recruitment process - which is, ironically, defended by the same people that keep bringing up Fabio’s “potential” & who have the nerve to compare him to Kane, Ronaldo and God knows who else.

We need Raul fit ASAP, a suitable back up in place (WJ or someone else) and Fabio can then go away and learn his trade/beef up at his own pace, with no pressure.

Eventually we’ll either benefit from it or it’ll go down as one of our worst ever transfers. But I have no desire finding out what the outcome is whilst he’s clearly not ready and it’s costing the club on the pitch because we’re having to carry him.

 

[Tony Towner]

Beckham was sold because Fergie wanted him out as he thought he'd become a damaging influence on the dressing room with his showbiz lifestyle

 

[PuntsWolf]

Not directly comparable, no, but in the sense that Cristiano Ronaldo at 18 was someone who didn't even start half the games in a season and went on to be one of the greatest footballers that has ever lived...

You shouldn't be wholesale judging players at that age. Is it what I'd have done with that kind of money in the summer of 2020, no. But that's neither here nor there. It's not up to me.

I’m not judging the player I’m judging the fee. As I said earlier. Even if he does become the next Harry Kane, with the evidence at the time it’s over paying as there are too many variables.

Cristiano Ronaldo’s experience and performance before he joined Man Utd and then whilst there in that first season compared to Fabio Silva’s are less comparable than Pedro Neto’s and Adama Traore’s levels levels of ability.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Beckham was sold because Fergie wanted him out as he thought he'd become a damaging influence on the dressing room with his showbiz lifestyle

Must have really hurt, only winning the league that season...

Doesn't seem to matter how many times you type "I am not comparing Fabio Silva with Cristiano Ronaldo per se", it never cuts through. So:

1) Ronaldo is an example of how someone at 18 can be completely different to what they end up developing into (I mean he hasn't even played on the right wing for about 12 years)
2) United deciding to downgrade from Beckham's guaranteed output to Ronaldo's very raw potential (let us not pretend he was any good in his first season, he wasn't) is an example of how you take a short term hit for a long term gain

That is what the club are looking at, currently.

I'm not saying whether it is or isn't a good idea. I know we'd be higher in the league this season if we had Diogo Jota in the squad rather than Fabio Silva, but that isn't the point. Notwithstanding that if in my lifetime we're able to turn down club record fees from the current Premier League champions for any of our players, I'll be very surprised.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Of course it is. Taking a £35m punt relative to budget and historic spend is relevant

Fabio is our record signing
Not Raul
Not Neves
Not Patricio
just let that float for a minute.

so of course it is relative. We put the majority of our transfer budget , not on red , not on black but on green 0 .

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Despite promising signs in terms of positioning and a good touch, and the likelihood he should get better at holding the ball up and in the air as he gets stronger, there is little to suggest he is going to be an outstanding player. I think his lack of pace is going to be his Achilles heel. If Silva had come through our youth team and someone came in and offered £37m we'd snatch their hand off - once we'd finished laughing. I hope it works out but more importantly I hope we've learnt the lesson that the first team must be prioritised over potential. You don't fit a new kitchen until you've mended the leaking roof.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I’m just saying paying £35m for Fabio Silva based on his output pre August 2020 is overpaying (and the entire history of transfers in the last 30 years). I don’t get how it can cause so much controversy.

I’ve never seen Troy Parrot play, but I can confidently say paying £35m for him would be overpaying.

 

[Lycan]

£35M for Silva is definitely overpaying. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise tbh. That doesn't mean that he's not going to go on to be a brilliant centre forward, I think he will and sooner than most think as well.

 

[AndyWolves]

£35M for Silva is definitely overpaying. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise tbh. That doesn't mean that he's not going to go on to be a brilliant centre forward, I think he will and sooner than most think as well.

To play devils advocate, if he starts posting Harry Kane type numbers then £35m has been a very good deal indeed, or would you disagree?

 

[Lycan]

To play devils advocate, if he starts posting Harry Kane type numbers then £35m has been a very good deal indeed, or would you disagree?

I think £35M is too much to pay for any 18 year old tbh, apart from the odd player who comes along every generation that is clearly destined to be world class. For the avoidance of doubt, despite Jeff's ill advised 'generational talent' comment and a few overly excited Wolves fans acting like we had just signed a young Ronaldo nobody ever really thought Fabio was one of those players.

He's not ever going to post Harry Kane numbers in the Premier League, at least not at Wolves. 13 goals, 11 assists halfway through the season even though he's missed games is absolutely insane.

 

[AndyWolves]

I think £35M is too much to pay for any 18 year old tbh, apart from the odd player who comes along every generation that is clearly destined to be world class. For the avoidance of doubt, despite Jeff's ill advised 'generational talent' comment and a few overly excited Wolves fans acting like we had just signed a young Ronaldo nobody ever really thought Fabio was one of those players.

He's not ever going to post Harry Kane numbers in the Premier League, at least not at Wolves. 13 goals, 11 assists halfway through the season even though he's missed games is absolutely insane.

I think where I'm coming from is we'll only truly know how good / bad this deal was / is when he hits his peak. The logic being there's no way you could get him for £35m at that point in the future.

It's sure asking a lot from him though.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

To play devils advocate, if he starts posting Harry Kane type numbers then £35m has been a very good deal indeed, or would you disagree?

Here you go. I will happily donate 500 quid to a charity of your choice if he does in the next three seasons.

 

[Tredman]

Here you go. I will happily donate 500 quid to a charity of your choice if he does in the next three seasons.

That’s nonsense though as Harry Kane wasn’t doing it at age 21 either. I think that’s the gist of this rather shitty argument.

 

[big mean bunny]

People keep mentioning Ronaldo and inflation, but a much more recent example is surely Sancho. Dortmund paid 8 million for him at 17. Something who admittedly was looking to leave so I get that changes it, however in the handful of games he played people were already thinking he might have something special. That's the issue we have, we haven't seen that, a well taken goal versus WBA, anything else?

 

[Jabbawolf]

Here you go. I will happily donate 500 quid to a charity of your choice if he does in the next three seasons.

In a similar spirit, I will donate £500 if Johnny wins the Nobel Peace Prize in the next 3 years.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

That’s nonsense though as Harry Kane wasn’t doing it at age 21 either. I think that’s the gist of this rather shitty argument.

Ok how about the next ten years then?
Still confident #moneywheremymouthis or look at it as a no lose investment. Only counts for us though!