REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deleted Cyber]

Hopefully over time our pathetic media will realise the age of 2 party politics is over.

And the country can get proportional representation to stop this entrenched bollocks happening again.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Nah, you're ok :icon_lol:

What I will say is that the last time the Tories won a majority that was worth a hill of beans, Wolves were in Division Four and Enzo Ferrari was still alive.

True and the EU didn't exist. It was still the EEC?

 

[Jabbawolf]

I have always voted Conservative, and live in Rugby (a Tory seat) - I know I am not alone in planning to switch to Labour due to Brexit (because of the stance and incompetence of the Tories), and a loathing of BJ.

 

[Templeton Peck]

And the country can get proportional representation to stop this entrenched bollocks happening again.

PR would be lovely. Wish Blair had done more on constitutional reform when he had the chance.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I have always voted Conservative, and live in Rugby (a Tory seat) - I know I am not alone in planning to switch to Labour due to Brexit (because of the stance and incompetence of the Tories), and a loathing of BJ.

my point exactly. But there were also more leavers than remainers. Some leavers may now be remain and switch allegiencies. But labour leavers wont be voting tory. They will be voting brexit.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

PR would be lovely. Wish Blair had done more on constitutional reform when he had the chance.

Rather than the wishy washy alternative vote bollocks.

PR really stops this. PR means you always have to be conciliatory. The only tory government that didnt go all tory was the coalition that had liberals keeping them in check. The instant that changed the rot set in.

 

[Tony Towner]

Rather than the wishy washy alternative vote bollocks.

PR really stops this. PR means you always have to be conciliatory. The only tory government that didnt go all tory was the coalition that had liberals keeping them in check. The instant that changed the rot set in.

Come on Cyber. There was nothing more Tory than austerity

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Westminster voting intention...

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

via ComRes, 16 - 17 Oct

 

[lemonjelly]

If this is true, on the back of the oborne article, it creates quite a scenario!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-jeanclaude-juncker-accuses-boris-johnson-of-spreading-bulls-during-eu-referendum-in-a4270386.html

The European Commission President said he regrets not intervening during the campaign to point out “bulls***” and falsehoods spread by Mr Johnson “and others”.

Speaking to an audience at a think tank in Brussels, he accused some of those canvassing for Leave in the 2016 referendum of “Lying: telling the people things which have nothing to do with our day by day reality.”
He added: “I should have intervened, because nobody was denying, contesting the lies Boris Johnson and others were spreading around.”
Attacking the PM and the media, Mr Juncker said some UK newspapers had spouted “nonsense” and “bulls***,” “day after day” for 46 years.

He ranted: “If, for 46 years. you are told day after day, and you are reading in your papers, that the place of the British is not really in Europe, but that they are there for economic and internal market reasons, and all the rest – it’s nonsense, bulls***. As they are saying in the European parliament – don’t be surprised if voters are asked to give their impression, some of them, a small majority but nevertheless a clear majority, is voting like a majority of the British sovereign people is voting.”

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Westminster voting intention...

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

via ComRes, 16 - 17 Oct

I feel that all polls must be taken with a pinch of salt because they have been inaccurate in the referendum, the last UK election and indeed even the US presidential election. Saying that, I would like to know the detail behind this particular poll as the question is a different one. I would have liked to see the same people firstly asked their current intention and THEN asked the “if the deadline isn’t met” caveat for a true comparison. We don’t have that so can only really compare to other recent polls to make comment.

The Labour percentage is not greatly different to most current polls. It’s a pretty poor figure for the party, but it is consistent. However the Conservative numbers are down hugely and the Brexit Party is the beneficiary. With a very modest gain for the Liberals.

Conclusion? This particular part of the voting public seems to clearly blame the Conservative machine for the failure and would jump ship to Farage to punish it. The core Labour vote would still vote labour no matter whether they voted leave or remain by the look of it.

It’s one poll, and therefore really difficult to extract anything with huge meaning, but if that were repeated then Alex is getting nowhere near what he needs on polling day, if and when it arrives.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Come on Cyber. There was nothing more Tory than austerity

True

But you have to temper it with this lot of pretty universal non toriness

https://www.markpack.org.uk/liberal-democrat-achievements-coalition-government/

 

[Paul]

Nicked off Twitter

"The year is 2192. The British Prime Minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline. No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world."

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Labour remainders will vote labour
Tory remainders will vote Tory or liberal
Tory leavers will vote tory or brexit
Labour leavers will vote brexit.

I don't see how a labour supporter who voted leave can vote anything else if they want a leave conclusion. Its a brexit election however its dressed up. I am concerned the number of people who were mildly interested in brexit, but if it didn't happen well OK, who are acting like crazy people claiming that parliament must deliver or dissolve and they will vote to make it happen.I still see nothing but two shades of blue governing if we have an election soon.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The polls tell you they won't.

No true Labour supporter is EVER going to vote for a Tory Cunt (and an extreme Tory Cunt at that) in Farage.

Yay - getting my Brexit, and every OTHER policy this twat could possibly consider is total anathema to my political beliefs.

It's not a one policy election no matter how much Johnson wants it to be. Exactly the mistake TBoz made.

 

[Kenny]

No true Labour supporter is EVER going to vote for a Tory Cunt
.

A member of my family is proof they would

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We'll see what happens. The poll EP put up says it is the Conservatives more likely to leach toward Farage the wanker, rather than the hardcore Labour support.

EVERY cast-iron Labour seat will stay Labour.

 

[Del Woppio]

The polls tell you they won't.

No true Labour supporter is EVER going to vote for a Tory Cunt (and an extreme Tory Cunt at that) in Farage.

Yay - getting my Brexit, and every OTHER policy this twat could possibly consider is total anathema to my political beliefs.

It's not a one policy election no matter how much Johnson wants it to be. Exactly the mistake TBoz made.

For the engaged maybe, but the leavers that vote Labour just because they've always voted Labour...brexit could be more important.

 

[Papper]

We'll see what happens. The poll EP put up says it is the Conservatives more likely to leach toward Farage the wanker, rather than the hardcore Labour support.

EVERY cast-iron Labour seat will stay Labour.

Since when did votes actually mean that much ... the seeds have been sown for even bigger wankers than Farage.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That's a really interesting point Papper. Are we seeing a succession of ever further lurches to the extremes of the political spectrum? I bloody hope not as it is not a good thing.

 

[Papper]

That's a really interesting point Papper. Are we seeing a succession of ever further lurches to the extremes of the political spectrum? I bloody hope not as it is not a good thing.

There is no political spectrum there is an anarchy due to political misrepresentation. I think it's great because i am an anarchist. The political class (or rather the trust in politicians) is null and void ...