REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Tredman]

that was for the scottish referendum

Nah, see links above. Feel free to do your own custom google time limit search too.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Like I say. Selective memory

 

[Deleted Cyber]

like I say ,apparently already debated and rejected and only coming back now as the result didnt suit.

Moving on.

 

[Tredman]

like I say ,apparently already debated and rejected and only coming back now as the result didnt suit.

Moving on.

We’ve also debated and rejected the cyberstosis thread, yet you continue with that.

Forgive us for believing that making the same mistake twice is an indicator of intense stupidity.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Of course if Cameron hadn’t used the blunt instrument of leaning on the Lords to prevent the change, he probably would have won the referendum. A matter of regret for pig-fucking dishface

 

[Deleted Cyber]

We’ve also debated and rejected the cyberstosis thread, yet you continue with that.

Forgive us for believing that making the same mistake twice is an indicator of intense stupidity.

You see you just cant do it can you? Any chance to have a snide swipe.

Cybertosis is a bit of fun which continues to confound many on here but I keep it from many by having its own thread. I am happy to start calling it on verdict threads if you prefer? I was under the impression you were all quite happy with me tucked neatly away on ignore?

Remainers on here come on this thread and spout some nonsense in my view about why 16 year olds should get the vote and I give my view which was being batted around nicely. Then you tried the low blow.

I think proportional representation is the best way , but its not going to happen. And nor is 16 year olds getting the vote.For the reasons I outline.

And there wont be a second referndum unless there is a real sea change in labour and liberals

And Brexit will happen and I fear we will live in a far right controlled country and the 16 year olds will have to deal with the fallout from that. Thats my biggest fear.

 

[Tredman]

You see you just cant do it can you? Any chance to have a snide swipe.

Cybertosis is a bit of fun which continues to confound many on here but I keep it from many by having its own thread. I am happy to start calling it on verdict threads if you prefer? I was under the impression you were all quite happy with me tucked neatly away on ignore?

Remainers on here come on this thread and spout some nonsense in my view about why 16 year olds should get the vote and I give my view which was being batted around nicely. Then you tried the low blow.

I think proportional representation is the best way , but its not going to happen. And nor is 16 year olds getting the vote.For the reasons I outline.

And there wont be a second referndum unless there is a real sea change in labour and liberals

And Brexit will happen and I fear we will live in a far right controlled country and the 16 year olds will have to deal with the fallout from that. Thats my biggest fear.

? Didn;t mean anything by it, just pointing out that saying 'move on' is a rather flippant response to a serious topic and should be answered with similar.

Your biggest fear is being facilitated by a daft attitude of 'lets just do it'. A better response would be how can we do something different.

 

[Tony Towner]

Even Diane Abbott got it wrong. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...r-their-country-in-latest-gaffe-a3676491.html

I keep esteemed company

 

[Deleted Cyber]

? Didn;t mean anything by it, just pointing out that saying 'move on' is a rather flippant response to a serious topic and should be answered with similar.

Your biggest fear is being facilitated by a daft attitude of 'lets just do it'. A better response would be how can we do something different.

which I had suggested a long time ago. I cannot answer the NI issue and I fear that the ill thought out concept of brexit needed more time. But above all it needed compromise from all sides and that just has not been forthcoming. Its an absolute shittfest and there is significant culpability in many areas from Cameron to Corbyn , to the Eu to Brexit voters et al.

But where we are is where we are and we have to deal , just as 16 year olds will have to deal with the consequences. By the time they are 18 perhaps they will call for us to rejoin? Perhaps there will be a case. Or perhaps the EU will be even more of a mess? Or perhaps the UK post brexit is not doing to bad. None of which any of us know.

 

[AndyWolves]

This. European nation populations are generally favourable towards the EU by a margin of around 2/3 to 1/3. And our experience will have killed any appetite for any more exits. Why on earth would you put yourselves through it?

I'm not so sure, we thought the same.

Presumably there are people throughout Europe who feel the same way as folk who voted for Brexit

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But they will see how we do as country rather than going into it blind. Now it might be amazing in which case they would be more incentivised to give it a try, or it might be a pig’s ear and they might be more inclined to stick with the devil they know.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

But they will see how we do as country rather than going into it blind. Now it might be amazing in which case they would be more incentivised to give it a try, or it might be a pig’s ear and they might be more inclined to stick with the devil they know.

that is a key point. If the Uk does ok post brexit and I mean in the 12-18 months not the first few weeks, you may find scepticism rises around the EU in other countries. I totally get that we were the test bed but we knew that from the off.

 

[SLA]

I'm not so sure, we thought the same.

Presumably there are people throughout Europe who feel the same way as folk who voted for Brexit

I was basing my comment on this research - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/the-european-union/

It's obviously not black and white but even if you were dissatisfied with the EU, you wouldn't fancy copying our shitfest.

I like the comment under one of the Twitter posts put up earlier, that Brexit is like trying to remove egg from a cooked cake.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Today, Labour attempted to end NHS privatisation and protect it from being sold off after Brexit. The proposal fell by 310 votes to 282. Not a single LibDem MP voted to protect the NHS. All 19 of them abstained.

 

[darlowolf64]

Today, Labour attempted to end NHS privatisation and protect it from being sold off after Brexit. The proposal fell by 310 votes to 282. Not a single LibDem MP voted to protect the NHS. All 19 of them abstained.

Yeah but Corbyn

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Today, Labour attempted to end NHS privatisation and protect it from being sold off after Brexit. The proposal fell by 310 votes to 282. Not a single LibDem MP voted to protect the NHS. All 19 of them abstained.

Which goes to prove my view that the liberals and labour have completely lost the plot and its far right here we come

 

[Johnny75]

Today, Labour attempted to end NHS privatisation and protect it from being sold off after Brexit. The proposal fell by 310 votes to 282. Not a single LibDem MP voted to protect the NHS. All 19 of them abstained.

This is somewhat disingenuous as it was the first move by Labour to bring the NHS back into wholly public ownership.

 

[visage]

The Labour motion would have repealed, rather than amended the relevant act, meaning the NHS would have been, yet again, reorganised at huge expense.

It was a publicity stunt.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Well as I was vehemently opposed to the Lansley reforms another reorganisation doesn't fill me with dread. Lib Dems now trying to claim that the Labour motion both did nothing and involved huge cost and reorganisation at the same time. Tbf I shouldn't expect Lib Dems to vote against it as they were responsible for bringing it in.

 

[visage]

It's an amendment to the queen's speech, which all opposition parties will vote against in its entirety.

The Labour amendment was just a massively overblown stunt that they knew other parties wouldn't back, just so Labour could bleat 'They want to privatise the NHS'

Childish politics.