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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Not sure that the Brexit party will have the same effect in a GE. Johnson will spout enough Brexiter friendly shite to keep Farage in his box and the Tories happy.

I'm hugely pessimistic.
 
I'm finding it hard to drag the positives out of anything political these days. Might just be best to retreat to tending the garden and pretend none of it is happening.
 
From a tactical view of politics it is a beautifully crafted manoeuvre. The leader of the opposition, the only other party who can form an alternative government, sets out a road map on how to avoid no deal but it includes installing Corbyn in no 10.

The no deal opponents split, not sure what appalls them more...no deal Brexit or PM Corbyn.

Johnson (Cummins) strikes and now it is a binary scenario. The only way to avoid no deal is by vote of no confidence and then a vote of confidence in a new government. Will the official opposition concede the premiership, will other opposition MPs, rebel Tories, independents and some Labour MPs back Corbyn. Whichever way it goes, whether we leave with no deal is no longer in the hands of the current government...and if we don't leave, it won't be Johnson's fault.
 
If Parliament has to choose between no Corbyn and no deal, its the latter every time. If that's the choice given to the electorate, probably the same result tbf
 
Del Woppio said:
If Parliament has to choose between no Corbyn and no deal, its the latter every time. If that's the choice given to the electorate, probably the same result tbf
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Which says a lot. Corbyn is Corbyn, but no deal will start a shit storm so huge that it's impact will be felt for YEARS.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
From a tactical view of politics it is a beautifully crafted manoeuvre. The leader of the opposition, the only other party who can form an alternative government, sets out a road map on how to avoid no deal but it includes installing Corbyn in no 10.

The no deal opponents split, not sure what appalls them more...no deal Brexit or PM Corbyn.

Johnson (Cummins) strikes and now it is a binary scenario. The only way to avoid no deal is by vote of no confidence and then a vote of confidence in a new government. Will the official opposition concede the premiership, will other opposition MPs, rebel Tories, independents and some Labour MPs back Corbyn. Whichever way it goes, whether we leave with no deal is no longer in the hands of the current government...and if we don't leave, it won't be Johnson's fault.
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Why can't Corbyn concede he isn't wanted and it's the best for the country that he steps aside in the vote of no confidence for somebody like Ken Clarke or Harriett Harmon?

Is his desire for power just as bad as Johnson's? At the moment I can't see any difference between Corbyn and Johnson.
 
Nowhere on Gov.UK to register my anger at this.....mo way to e mail Gov>UK anyone got any ideas, where and how?
 
signed the petition, wanted to e mail gov, but what the hell i could twitter the twat himself i suppose.
 
Petition is a fairly pointless instrument on this one. Certain number of signatures to trigger a debate? I think you can be certain there will be one already!
 
Absolutely pathetic culmination of three pathetic years.

So Johnson (democratically) but undemocratically prevents a bunch of remainers democratically (but undemocratically) preventing the UK from leaving the EU when the people of this country have given a mandate to leave the EU in two general elections, a referendum and the recent EU elections.

The likley scenario as I see it : We get a general election, the Brexit Party is now defunct and Angie and Manny are more likley than ever to remove the back-stop.
 
Del Woppio said:
If Parliament has to choose between no Corbyn and no deal, its the latter every time. If that's the choice given to the electorate, probably the same result tbf
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I would much rather Johnson and the EU agree to remove the back-stop and find a solution in that respect - even if it means we remain in the single market/customs union for a very necessary extended transitional period. I think Johnson's hand has been forced due to those that which to remain in the EU at any cost. The three year farce in Westminster is due to MP's refusing to accept the result of the referendum and the inept May.
 
nimrod said:
you don't say - if you're telling me you're leaping in the dark more in hope than with any discernible delivery plan, who am i to disagree. i mean which of the leading brexiteers are calling for an overthrow of corporate ideology? other than thinly veiled or even explicit concerns about globalism from the odd person looking to point the conspiracy finger at a generalised group, it just doesn't feature. once the power plays result in some form of "stable" government it'll be another round of UK PLC 'open for business' to try and woo all the globalists back. the general brexit supporting populace is literally wanking itself off over any positive business news or trade deal news mate. how have you not noticed?
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Either in or out of the EU the UK is never going to become the land of economic utopia in fact I think the UK faces a shitstorm in the next couple of decades irrespective of Brexit. My sole preserve is the emergence of alternatives, of change in Westminster that become far more credible without outside interference/centralisation of corporate power. The buck will stop with Westminster and we are already beginning to see the disentegration of mainstream political parties because nobody trusts them any more.
 
Papper said:
I would much rather Johnson and the EU agree to remove the back-stop and find a solution in that respect - even if it means we remain in the single market/customs union for a very necessary extended transitional period. I think Johnson's hand has been forced due to those that which to remain in the EU at any cost. The three year farce in Westminster is due to MP's refusing to accept the result of the referendum and the inept May.
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Nope, it's his pals in the ERG.

This is what happens when you pander to extremists with lunatic ideas. Johnson has appointed one of them as his policy adviser so here we are.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Nope, it's his pals in the ERG.

This is what happens when you pander to extremists with lunatic ideas. Johnson has appointed one of them as his policy adviser so here we are.
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To be fair Deutschy the whole scenario stinks whatever way we look at it. No deal is not a viable solution (even allowing for the three year farce) and it is remarkably stupid given the days left (project fear or not). I sincerely hope the EU can broker a deal (Back-Stop) and an election can take place soon after November 1st that doesnt involve Farage.

I am cynical - cometh the revolution eh ...
 
Papper said:
To be fair Deutschy the whole scenario stinks whatever way we look at it. No deal is not a viable solution (even allowing for the three year farce) and it is remarkably stupid given the days left (project fear or not). I sincerely hope the EU can broker a deal (Back-Stop) and an election can take place soon after November 1st that doesnt involve Farage.

I am cynical - cometh the revolution eh ...
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The EU won't remove the backstop. There is no ground to give on that front. I don't think the EU will renegotiate anymore. The deal on the table is the only possible deal.

The UK did this, it organized this farse of a party. Well, it's time to clean up and deal with the consequences.
 
jdrodrigues said:
The EU won't remove the backstop. There is no ground to give on that front. I don't think the EU will renegotiate anymore. The deal on the table is the only possible deal.

The UK did this, it organized this farse of a party. Well, it's time to clean up and deal with the consequences.
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Hence the stalemate. The back-stop keeps us vassal to the EU which contravenes the REMAIN or LEAVE decision that was taken in 2016. A persistent stalemate cannot exist alongside the result of the referendum which has to be delivered - see current mess for details. There is absolutely no option to remain in the EU.
 
Papper said:
Hence the stalemate. The back-stop keeps us vassal to the EU which contravenes the REMAIN or LEAVE decision that was taken in 2016. A persistent stalemate cannot exist alongside the result of the referendum which has to be delivered - see current mess for details. There is absolutely no option to remain in the EU.
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This whole farse is on T-Bag's hands. She had all the time in the world to prepare for an orderly brexit, discussing and planning every detail. Organize deals, legislation, transition, whatever. But no, she had to rush and apply article 50 because of reasons. Set up a time-line which she then consequently failed to uphold.

I'm sorry, but I can't see this in any other light then the UK being handled its own arse due to its arrogance.
 
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