Refereeing question

[FrankMunro-371]

A lot of people are not aware of an important change taking place in the laws of the game.

At the latest International Football Association Board meeting, it was decided that from next season, the so called triple jeopardy punishment will be outlawed if a player makes a genuine attempt to play the ball.

The triple jeopardy punishment is when a player fouls an opponent in the penalty area to prevent a goal scoring opportunity. The punishment is a penalty, a red card, and a suspension. But next season, if the referee deems that the offender has made a genuine attempt to play the ball, then he should not send the player off.

I can see this causing problems galore.

 

[Tony Towner]

I agree, you know that they'll be very similar incidents in the same weekend with different results highlighted on MoTD. Triple jeopardy is harsh but for consistency surely cancelling the suspension part is the best option

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I agree, you know that they'll be very similar incidents in the same weekend with different results highlighted on MoTD. Triple jeopardy is harsh but for consistency surely cancelling the suspension part is the best option

This is exactly the issue we have. Almost identical incidents will be treated differently. Plus, the only person who will know if there has been a genuine attempt to play the ball will be the player who made the tackle. And think what it will be like for the referees on local parks.

It was once suggested that the suspension part of the triple jeopardy should be cancelled, but it was argued that if there was no punishment, then there would be no deterrent. Personally, I think that is something that could be looked into once again.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Surely going a man down in a game is far more of a deterrent than having to pick someone else for the next game? What a stupid line of reasoning.

 

[Tony Towner]

I assume the thinking would be if it was in the last 10 minutes or so then there isn't much deterrent.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I just don't see a suspension as anything like a deterrent, look at Suarez with his handball in the World Cup, didn't give a shit that he'd miss a game but did what he needed to get his team through.

I think this will just lead to more stupid challenges in the box as it's now less of a risk, if you look set to concede a goal anyway then why not give away a penalty and see if they bottle it, if you were going to get sent off too then it's more of a gamble and you probably just take the hit hoping you can get back into it with 11 men.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Another thing...

Would the offending player now be picking up a yellow card in place of the customary red or do they escape that punishment all together? Could be some interesting situations around second yellows if it's the former.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Another thing...

Would the offending player now be picking up a yellow card in place of the customary red or do they escape that punishment all together? Could be some interesting situations around second yellows if it's the former.

A yellow card I believe, and if it is his second yellow then he would be sent off.

Regarding the referee "bottling" it. The problem will be that the referee will now have to read the players mind. The player will know what he intends to do, the referee has a difficult enough job without having to decide what intentions the player had. I do not see that as bottling it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

A yellow card I believe, and if it is his second yellow then he would be sent off.

Regarding the referee "bottling" it. The problem will be that the referee will now have to read the players mind. The player will know what he intends to do, the referee has a difficult enough job without having to decide what intentions the player had. I do not see that as bottling it.

I meant the opposition player bottling the penalty attempt.

The whole idea is wank, if they're scrapping anything it should be the suspension.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I meant the opposition player bottling the penalty attempt.

The whole idea is wank, if they're scrapping anything it should be the suspension.

Sorry I misunderstood you. And while I do not agree with this new law amendment, I do think the triple jeopardy needed looking at. And if the player is not sent off, there is no suspension. Though if the penalty is missed some would say the offender got off Scott free.

 

[BillyDee]

I assume the thinking would be if it was in the last 10 minutes or so then there isn't much deterrent.

Slightly OT, but in the NHL, certain punishments for certain offences at the end of the game earn a suspension they wouldn't have earlier in the game.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I thought I would check this thread after the Leicester v West Ham game...!

 

[darlowolf64]

I thought I would check this thread after the Leicester v West Ham game...!

All the abuse is in the match thread, Frank.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

All the abuse is in the match thread, Frank.

We were on our way home so I did not see the game, but I heard there was the odd controversial moment.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

There is now an on line petition to get Jonathon Moss banned from ever refereeing again. I am sure that the FA will take a lot of notice of that...

 

[Kenny]

There is now an on line petition to get Jonathon Moss banned from ever refereeing again. I am sure that the FA will take a lot of notice of that...

Jamie Vardy has taken the red card badly then....

Whoever was the ref in the Rangers v Celtic had a good game. A game a ref can easily lose control of but he didn't put a foot wrong (although the Celtic manager did complain when the ref overturned a throw in call from his Assistant and Rangers then went on to score from the move started by the throw)

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Jamie Vardy has taken the red card badly then....

Whoever was the ref in the Rangers v Celtic had a good game. A game a ref can easily lose control of but he didn't put a foot wrong (although the Celtic manager did complain when the ref overturned a throw in call from his Assistant and Rangers then went on to score from the move started by the throw)

I only saw a bit of the old firm game, but I heard that the referee was excellent. And you know the referee has had a good game when the only thing that managers can complain about are throw ins.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

As an aside, Micro's under 11s had another fantastic young referee yesterday. Last two matches the referees have been absolutely superb in his games. Nice to give credit where due at grassroots level.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

That is good to hear Paddy. A lot of effort has gone into developing referees at grassroots level, and any positive feedback is always appreciated. Has your club thought about contacting the league to say how well the referee performed?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yes - we have considered that. With only three matches to go, I think our conclusion has been to put something into the end of season reports about the high quality of refereeing in the last weeks. Obviously, we have the standard match sheets when comments can be made about referees and those have definitely been very positive. I know that the referee from last week is very highly regarded by the league. Only 17 and they think he will referee at a high level. I hope so as he was top drawer.