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Refereeing question

What about the Palace v Leicester game yesterday. Corner for Leicester and Robert Huth actually has his shirt taken off him by the Palace defender as he tries to go for the ball!! Surely that is a foul
 
Kenny said:
What about the Palace v Leicester game yesterday. Corner for Leicester and Robert Huth actually has his shirt taken off him by the Palace defender as he tries to go for the ball!! Surely that is a foul
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It certainly was, and I cannot understand why referees allow all this shirt pulling nonsense to go on.
 
It went beyond shirt pulling. Thought the ref might have booked Huth though...
 
I haven't seen the incident, but why would Huth have been cautioned?

Anyway it is time for me to go and ruin 22 footballers Sunday...
 
On that issue I think the ref would still book the shirtless player for allowing it to happen.
 
Kenny said:
On that issue I think the ref would still book the shirtless player for allowing it to happen.
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Even though its not in the laws, under unproper conduct. While near rape gets next to no action on every corner kick.
 
My opinion is the ref will see the shirt off and just book away regardless.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
I haven't seen the incident, but why would Huth have been cautioned?

Anyway it is time for me to go and ruin 22 footballers Sunday...
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Twas a joke based on removing his shirt. I'll pop it in your thread in the other sub forum...
 
I am not sure how many folk on here follow grassroots football. But there is a crisis at most county levels that is getting worse. Local football now has a severe shortage of referees. These are the men and women who turn up at the local park to give grassroots players a game of football. Sadly, the level of abuse, and even violence directed towards referees means there is now not enough referees. In Leicestershire alone, the District League, and all three Sunday morning leagues often have games uncovered. While I accept that maybe the referees at grassroots level may not be the best in the country, the level of abuse they receive is totally unacceptable. Many efforts are made to recruit new referees, with training schemes, and mentoring available. But the sad fact is that up to 25% of new referees recruited quit within a year. And the situation will only get worse until clubs and players at grassroots level start showing respect for referees
 
It's definitely a cause for concern. The u7s I am coaching currently play in a league where they play two games against the same team on a Sunday, and each team has to have a parent ref a game each. Each team also has to have a respect representative (wearing a luminous jacket) that if there are any problems between supporters they are the go to people. It works very well in Southampton. The culture that has been created is very relaxed and I can see opposition parents mixing with our own, which is very positive.

At the younger ages, Up until u11s (when they go to 9-a-side now and offsides) I'm not sure we need qualified referees. It's obviously a bonus if you can have them but I think it is more important they referee slightly older age groups as it becomes more serious and the chances of bias between parents becomes more obvious.
 
There are quite a few leagues now that do quiet weekends where parents are asked to stand on the touchline in silence or remove themselves from the vicinity.
Let the kids play, let the kids learn from their mistakes, above all let the kids enjoy themselves.
 
From my experience it's often not the abilities of Sunday league referees that draws the most criticism but their attitudes, there are a couple in our league who are such self important tossers and usually end up ruining the game one way or another.

There's one in particular, youngish lad probably somewhere between 18-22 I'd guess, who I don't think has ever managed to referee one of our games without dropping an absolute clanger, now that's bound to happen at amateur level just it's likely that some pissed up lump with spanner one into his own net but he has no humility to accept that he made a mistake, he makes no attempt to try and explain any of decisions regardless of how he's approached, he makes a rod for his own back. Last time he reffed a game of ours it was a complete farce, he started by telling us no-one was allowed to wear gloves other than goalkeepers, he booked one of our players for jumping out of the way of a vicious tackle claiming he'd 'jumped into the man', he awarded 3 penalties, one was a completely fairly competed header following a throw in, another saw a player launch himself over the keeper collecting a ball but somehow got a penalty, following this moment a magic a man who'd last been anywhere near the ball some 40 yards from goal was sent off for apparently conceding the penalty?!

When you've got officials like that the game quickly becomes a nonsense, it's not like he's just overly strict so you can reign things in to account for it, he's completely all over the place so you've no idea what's coming, plenty obviously get rattled by this and then his manner of dealing with people only makes things worse until it becomes a team v the ref, or sometimes both teams against him, affair.
 
Paddy and Squeeze will know more about youth football than me, but in Leicestershire, parents of one teams players stand on one side of the pitch, and the other teams parents on the other side. It is sad it has come to this, but problems with parents led to this action being taken. There are also incident's nearly every week where a referee is confronted by angry parents following a game. I don't know if other county's have this problem.
 
We have a respect line and the parents from both sides stand together on the same side of the pitch but are not allowed to encroach beyond the line toward the pitch. When micro first started in goal I used to go to the end of the pitch but we don't bother with that now so I stand with the other parents.

We are in the Stourbridge League and can go a fair distance for away games and to be honest we have very few problems with parents. One team had parent issues (including one father encroaching the pitch and threatening to punch one of our players (who was nine at the time and is now at the Albion academy)) and they left the league eventually.

One of the best ways we find to generate a happy atmosphere is providing teas and coffees and cheering on both sides equally. If the oppo keeper makes a good save we encourage that just as much as if micro was the kid making a save.

HOWEVER, we have had problems with our coaches picking up fines. Our old coach got sent from the touchline last season for calling a referee a twat and this year's coach has picked up fines for behaviour at one game (for which he was very remorseful in truth). Some of the alpha male win at all costs coaches in our league have a fair bit to learn in terms of attitude and behaviour.

I have seen referees cop some fearful stick at kids games, and there is no need. These are often young referees just starting out in the game so giving them an earful seems counter-productive. Saying that, I have also seen referees put in one-eyed arrogant performances that frankly defy belief.
 
Thanks Paddy. You are absolutely correct that spectators should applaud good play by players, irrespective of which team they play for. This issue with coaches is a recurring problem. Surely they should allow the children to just play the game, and enjoy it. The win at all costs attitude is wrong in my opinion.

Regarding referees, I would be wrong if I did not admit that we do have a problem with certain ones who seem to get themselves into awkward situations every week. These are the ones we try to monitor, and to help them wherever possible. Though two referees last season were struck off the list in Leicestershire for unacceptable behaviour.
 
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